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Xizor

Captain
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The saddest thing about this war in Afghanistan is how much money was literally wasted.

Almost 1 trillion spent... for what?

It really puts Jimmy Carter's alleged quote into some context. Like China isn't covering the country in HSR because of magic Uighur slave chain gangs. It's just what you can do when you don't flush money down the toilet.

I can even cut some slack, not everyone here would agree, but it would be hard for any country to accept an attack like 9/11 without responding in some way.

So let's assume out of 20 years, half of it was justified, so let's say the cost should be 400 billion. That's enough to build the California HSR and still have money to do the Boston Big Dig... and still have more money left over to make a national broadband network, and probably still have more and more money

Could've really improved the lives of people, didn't even improve the lives of Afghans...
War is profitable.

The military Industrial complex need new contracts and their shareholders will pitch for more profits each board meetings. The MIC also supports jobs across the US. Senators from each state will want these attractive employment for their people. The military remains a cushion for certain low income groups to find a job and footing during the post teenage youth. Many see the service as a way to get naturalized. Many others see an escape from poverty.

Then there is the "Great Game" of geopolitics that sees central Asia as a prize.
 

supersnoop

Colonel
Registered Member
War is profitable.

The military Industrial complex need new contracts and their shareholders will pitch for more profits each board meetings. The MIC also supports jobs across the US. Senators from each state will want these attractive employment for their people. The military remains a cushion for certain low income groups to find a job and footing during the post teenage youth. Many see the service as a way to get naturalized. Many others see an escape from poverty.

Then there is the "Great Game" of geopolitics that sees central Asia as a prize.
Oh I forgot I deleted some of my post. I originally had a line to say let's not even worry about the geopolitics (which by the time of the last pull out will be 0 gain anyway)

There are a lot of profitable things you can do with 100's of billions.

I'm not American, so I'm going to use a Canadian example.
The Canadian government spent close to 20 billion on their part of the war.
This could have built one high speed line connecting a few cities near Toronto.

People always complaining about the high property prices in Toronto, so this could open up some potential real estate opportunities in those nearby cities, which would spur some more investment in turn.

Furthermore, it would take time away from sitting in traffic, burning gasoline, so environmental savings which improve people's health which in turn would free up money from the healthcare system...

Time savings means people can be more productive as well. Maybe they do some work on the train or whatever instead of staring at the bumper in front of them.

This war maybe helped the stockholders of Honeywell and Lockheed, and whatever private people own General Atomics ONLY
 

siegecrossbow

General
Staff member
Super Moderator
War is profitable.

The military Industrial complex need new contracts and their shareholders will pitch for more profits each board meetings. The MIC also supports jobs across the US. Senators from each state will want these attractive employment for their people. The military remains a cushion for certain low income groups to find a job and footing during the post teenage youth. Many see the service as a way to get naturalized. Many others see an escape from poverty.

Then there is the "Great Game" of geopolitics that sees central Asia as a prize.

Weapon making is only a niche market, even for a MIC as big as that of the U.S. Take China for instance. Only a small percentage of shipyard production is for military warships. The true money makers are the civilian cargo ships/oil tankers.
 

Maula Jatt

Junior Member
Registered Member
Agreed. I think Pakistan's judgement may be a little clouded in this.

It could easily be CIA, Russians. Last I heard China was going launch their own investigation.

Capturing intelligence agents in Afghanistan is a must priority for China. Pay the Taliban a bounty to capture them, then get them to defect.
I think they already had 15 Chinese officials involved in this investigation (if I read/heard it correctly)

But 100% agreed, China should also conduct it's own investigation where Pak officials can provide them clues etc
 
Weapon making is only a niche market, even for a MIC as big as that of the U.S. Take China for instance. Only a small percentage of shipyard production is for military warships. The true money makers are the civilian cargo ships/oil tankers.
"The true money makers are the civilian cargo ships/oil tankers."

Not true if you are part of the MIC and its beneficiary. It's a guaranteed money maker regardless if you fail or succeed. Low Risk and High Return.
 

Abominable

Major
Registered Member
I think they already had 15 Chinese officials involved in this investigation (if I read/heard it correctly)

But 100% agreed, China should also conduct it's own investigation where Pak officials can provide them clues etc
I don't know if the Chinese investigation was independent or with the Pakistani authorities.

From what I've seen on twitter - the evidence from the Pakistani authorities seems to be it was individuals coming from Afghanistan, and they know the names of certain key people.

Afghanistan is (or rather was) a playground for intelligence agencies. CIA, India, Turkey, Iran, Russia are all possibilities. The next step would be to put pressure on the Afghan government, or the Taliban, to hand these people over to China.
 

Maula Jatt

Junior Member
Registered Member
I don't know if the Chinese investigation was independent or with the Pakistani authorities.

From what I've seen on twitter - the evidence from the Pakistani authorities seems to be it was individuals coming from Afghanistan, and they know the names of certain key people.

Afghanistan is (or rather was) a playground for intelligence agencies. CIA, India, Turkey, Iran, Russia are all possibilities. The next step would be to put pressure on the Afghan government, or the Taliban, to hand these people over to China.
It was not independent, they were in the loop and involved in the investigation (from what I gather)
 
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