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Nutrient

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Also, when we consider that China is by far the largest manufacturer in the world of all types of goods, and that China is the largest consumer market in the world in terms of goods, (with China and ASEAN coming closer together via the RCEP), this standards committee from the west seems like a big Brexit in itself.

Chances are good that China's economy will be bigger than all the West combined. If we add ASEAN, Russia, Iran, and the rest of the BRI countries, the ratio tilts ridiculously in favor of the East.

In that scenario, if the West isolates itself in its own bloc, it will be like the USSR in the Cold War: competing against an opponent whose economy is several times larger than itself. The West will lose disastrously.


On second, now I think this is not a good idea for the west.
It probably will only lead to more Western decline.

Yes.
 

Maula Jatt

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Chances are good that China's economy will be bigger than all the West combined. If we add ASEAN, Russia, Iran, and the rest of the BRI countries, the ratio tilts ridiculously in favor of the East.

In that scenario, if the West isolates itself in its own bloc, it will be like the USSR in the Cold War: competing against an opponent whose economy is several times larger than itself. The West will lose disastrously.




Yes.
Asian market with just a little bit of upkeep (IE infrastructure for poor countries, increasing thier living standards)

Is THE market to have, anyone who has access to that is easily the central power of the world and if anyone tries to "control" it is in the end just isolating itself

If BRI succeeds, Chinese people will remember Xi as Mao, Deng

But if it doesn't what's 2,3 trillion $ in grand scheme of things US spent more than trillion on WOT, 10 t in 2008

Low risk, high reward
 

Nutrient

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But if it doesn't what's 2,3 trillion $ in grand scheme of things US spent more than trillion on WOT, 10 t in 2008

Low risk, high reward

The advertised $3 trillion price tag for BRI will be spent over 30 years or so. Which means the outlay for the Middle Kingdom will be roughly $100 billion per year: a not insignificant amount, but not that much either, only a fraction of the annual Chinese trade surplus. China can afford it, quite easily.

Don't ask me how the West can pay for Build Back Better World, (c)Joe Biden. Perhaps most of it will be spent inside the US itself, which definitely needs it.
 

horse

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Chances are good that China's economy will be bigger than all the West combined. If we add ASEAN, Russia, Iran, and the rest of the BRI countries, the ratio tilts ridiculously in favor of the East.

In that scenario, if the West isolates itself in its own bloc, it will be like the USSR in the Cold War: competing against an opponent whose economy is several times larger than itself. The West will lose disastrously.

That's is my suspicion of why the Americans do not seem to have a plan or strategy to tackle China.

They see the problem, but do not see the solution.

At least not yet. And cannot accept it the current state of affairs.

So they try to buy time.
 

BoraTas

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Scarry stuff. The US, at least at a military level, seriously considers a pre-emptive war against China before China starts snatching away allies, and builds more power. They are betting on Japan, Australia and a lot of countries that are currently looking neutral. Namely, South Korea, India, New Zealand, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, The Philippines, Singapore and even European allies who have good navies.

Of course, the Chinese government knows the real situation much better than we here. But if the US even just considers such a thing, military build up should be the #1 priority of the 2020s.
 

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Top Chinese spy catcher Dong Jingwei warns agents to look out for those who collude with foreign forces​

  • The security chief tells agents they must hunt down ‘insiders’ who collude with anti-China forces and ‘those who bankroll them’
  • Dong warns that infiltration and spying activity have been on the increase



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Isn't that the same guy the US mainstream media were propping up of having defected to the US?
 

Maula Jatt

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Scarry stuff. The US, at least at a military level, seriously considers a pre-emptive war against China before China starts snatching away allies, and builds more power. They are betting on Japan, Australia and a lot of countries that are currently looking neutral. Namely, South Korea, India, New Zealand, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, The Philippines, Singapore and even European allies who have good navies.

Of course, the Chinese government knows the real situation much better than we here. But if the US even just considers such a thing, military build up should be the #1 priority of the 2020s.
Will be an extremely stupid move if true

But I am 99% sure nothing will happen no one is looking for an actual fight, nothing to gain but a lot to lose

The political guys are not looking for a fight just looking to scare the other guys (most likely the nuetral countries to show em who's the boss)

As far as millitary, it's thier job to think, prepare for war 24/7
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Isn't that the same guy the US mainstream media were propping up of having defected to the US?
I think so lol..Apparently, there's an article written on zerohedge or some s..t that purportedly suggest that a whistle-blower or insider from China named "Dong Jingwei" has the goods to spill on Red China's culpability and responsibility with the Covid-19 pandemic. I guess the man must be capable at 2 places at the same time or there's another Chinese fella with the same name. Lol
 

supercat

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I think so lol..Apparently, there's an article written on zerohedge or some s..t that purportedly suggest that a whistle-blower or insider from China named "Dong Jingwei" has the goods to spill on Red China's culpability and responsibility with the Covid-19 pandemic. I guess the man must be capable at 2 places at the same time or there's another Chinese fella with the same name. Lol
Yep, it was said that Dong Jingwei (董经纬) defected in mid February. As I said, I take any report about China from the western media with a huge pinch of salt, let alone report from the rabidly anti-China conspiracy website Zerohedge, or from some little known website such as redstate.com.:rolleyes:

BREAKING: Chinese Defector's Identity Confirmed, Was Top Counterintelligence Official​

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