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H2O

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@ansy1968

FYI "Denio" has mention many times that these types of political threads should not exist at SDF, pulling the mods in here will just get it eventually locked.

Although I'm guilty of participating in this thread, it's funny to see what's going on when there is a "no discussion" warning in the thread title. I can only imagine the headache Deino is going through over at that Pakistani forum.

I hope people here understand that hypocrisy is basically the norm for politics. It's all about being the first to establish the narrative and your dirty laundry is hidden from the public. Unfortunately, this Cold War is going to bring out the worst in everyone. I often wonder what it would be like if social media existed during the first Cold War.
 

Equation

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Here's a cartoon that showcased America's past racism and biasness. This can also relate to the current Israel treatment of the Palestinians in their own land.






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manqiangrexue

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In the US, at the very least, racism is undeniably tied to capitalism.
What does "tied to" mean? The meaning of that relationship is unclear to me but I deny that racism was created by the rich to distract the poor. This is simply unevidenced theory.
First a correction. Capitalism is not "survival of the fittest". It is a sociopolitical system where control of economic resources (i.e. capital) give one political power. This is in contrast to a feudal society, where control of military power gives one political power.
That is American capitalism where lobbyists have taken the stage away from the true purpose of a government, which is to protect the common people. Capitalism itself, which is a system that rewards wealth accumulation through innovation, does not have to go unchecked like in the US. One can accumulate wealth without having the political power to threaten the national interest for it.
From the very beginning, the slave trade was a result of capitalism. It wasn't the European Kings and Queens that needed African slaves, they had plenty of serfs to fill that role. It was the newly wealthy landowners if the New World who needed massive amounts of labor to work their fields. Trade with the Old World was the source of wealth and power for these landowners.
The greed of capitalism wanted slaves but it didn't need any black slaves. Modern capitalism is about enticing people to provide manual labor for a smaller piece of the pie while those who with the ability to innovate and make big decisions take a much larger slice. This creates a system that rewards and nurtures innovation over drone-like labor, which, unfortunately, most people are only capable of.
After the emancipation, black and white Americans fought over economic resources. All these emancipated slaves were now asking for they're own slice of the pie. It is human nature to divide into rival factions when resources became scarce, and race was a highly visible dividing line.
If you argue that that is how capitalism caused racism, then so does immigration or any act of putting different people together in a place with finite resources.
 
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manqiangrexue

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It was not an accident, as capitalism is a natural stage of human economic development. Like slavery and feudalism before it. Socialism is the next stage, as capitalism has outgrown its usefulness to lay the foundation for socialism, which require socialized industrial production and enlightenment of people.
You shouldn't present your theories as fact, especially when they are not properly reasoned out, much less evidenced. Actually, prehistoric and ancient societies lived in ways that much more closely resembled socialism than capitalism. Before the advent of currency, socialism is basically all there was. As society advanced, capitalism was the force that drove innovation and improvement through natural greed. Societies that did not catch on become obsolete in technology (as someone had mentioned before some native American tribes with no concept of ownership) and were conquered by countries that had developed further due to capitalism. China's economy and technology resembled North Korea's until it developed its own system that has many prevalent characteristics of capitalism. Judging by this trend, capitalism is the present stage and socialism is the past.

In order for socialism to truly function efficiently, the human psyche has to completely change. People have to think more like ants and be self-sacrificing for the collective good. With most people thinking independently and coveting their own welfares and desires above all, capitalism is what is needed to harness the power of the masses. It doesn't look like this will change anytime soon.
While UK created lot of countries, those capitalist country not created by US also mostly open racist. It is hard to find a capitalist country that are not racist, regardless who created them.
Neither can you find a communist or socialist one that is not racist. There is racism in every country in the world because racism stems from social observations. It's like saying that all criminals have heads so having a head causes you to become a criminal.
 

Gatekeeper

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BREAKING
EU is now officially, completely hijacked by US influence operations

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Team up with the US


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Ban Xinjiang Goods

Lol now see the US push for a phase 2 deal, claiming EU access too for their own.

EU is US stashed in one entity.

Meh, why not cancel the deal entirely, why freeze? Is it because something frozen can be... unfrozen? Sure seems to me like EU really want to deal.

That be the case let them freeze it for a while. China can start negotiating with individual members of the EU.

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@voyager1 Bro this will break the EU and the way I see how the American is playing this they will go after Nord Stream 2 as their next target. Germany will be livid and they will go alone (maybe tagging some Northern European state) bypassing the rest of Europe.

Need I say anything?

 

2handedswordsman

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That is American capitalism where lobbyists have taken the stage away from the true purpose of a government, which is to protect the common people. Capitalism itself, which is a system that rewards wealth accumulation through innovation, does not have to go unchecked like in the US. One can accumulate wealth without having the political power to threaten the national interest for it.
You diconnect capitalism from it's historical context.Capitalism born out of greed.It is set up like this, the whole system of science,politics,laws,economics and of course education and culture.Western style "democracy" is the most common reflection of capitalism in politics. Dictatorships is an other
 

solarz

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That is American capitalism where lobbyists have taken the stage away from the true purpose of a government, which is to protect the common people. Capitalism itself, which is a system that rewards wealth accumulation through innovation, does not have to go unchecked like in the US. One can accumulate wealth without having the political power to threaten the national interest for it.

The greed of capitalism wanted slaves but it didn't need any black slaves. Modern capitalism is about enticing people to provide manual labor for a smaller piece of the pie while those who with the ability to innovate and make big decisions take a much larger slice. This creates a system that rewards and nurtures innovation over drone-like labor, which, unfortunately, most people are only capable of.

In order for socialism to truly function efficiently, the human psyche has to completely change. People have to think more like ants and be self-sacrificing for the collective good. With most people thinking independently and coveting their own welfares and desires above all, capitalism is what is needed to harness the power of the masses. It doesn't look like this will change anytime soon.

The definition of Capitalism is "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state."

What you are describing is more like the concept of market economy, which is defined as "an economic system in which production and prices are determined by unrestricted competition between privately owned businesses."

The two are not interchangeable.

Capitalism just means private owners (i.e. "Capitalists") control society's economy, which in practical terms, is a sliding scale. For example, Capitalists control a larger part of the economy in the US than in some European countries.

Racism, due to the colonial history of Europeans, is one of the ways Capitalists in the West exercise their control of the economy. In other parts of the world, Japan for example, they might use other methods.

While Market Economy can lead to innovation through competition, this is not necessarily the case with Capitalism. You could have an Oligarchy with a few billionaires controlling most of the trade and industries, which is what the US is heading towards. You're not going to see much innovation in such an environment.

Consequently, the definition of Socialism is "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole." The caveat here is what is meant by "community as a whole". In the case of China, that is the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.
 
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