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taxiya

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I wonder if Lavrov discussed Ukraine's fate while he was in Guilin.
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I am almost certain that Ukraine was discussed.

Firstly there is this news. Just after Lavrov's visit, People's Daily published an article here
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中俄始终肩并肩站在一起，背靠背紧密合作, China and Russia stand shoulder to shoulder, cooperate back to back.
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Shoulder to shoulder is a new phrase that has never been used till this day. Back to back is more passively defensive (Russia takes west, China takes east). Shoulder to shoulder is more proactively collaboration. It also means that both side will be more cooperative in the area of one another, Russia get more active in east, China get more active in west.

Secondly, Ukraine really pissed off China. And by doing so Ukraine has no more leverage to keep China natural in the Ukraine Russian dispute, nor does China have anything left to worry about.

Remember that China vetoed UN peacekeeping mission in North Macedonia in 2001 after it established "diplomatic" relationship with Taiwan in 1999. Guatemala is another example. Ukraine is pretty much in the same league, war torn country that pisses off China at the behest of US.

China don't need to openly support Russian "annexation" (I don't think Russia need to do that anyway), what China does is just co-veto any possible UNSC resolution against Russia like they did on Syria issue, or even openly lay the blame on Ukraine.
 
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taxiya said:
I am almost certain that Ukraine was discussed.

Firstly there is this news. Just after Lavrov's visit, People's Daily published an article here
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Shoulder to shoulder is a new phrase that has never been used till this day. Back to back is more passively defensive (Russia takes west, China takes east). Shoulder to shoulder is more proactively collaboration. It also means that both side will be more cooperative in the area of one another, Russia get more active in east, China get more active in west.

Secondly, Ukraine really pissed off China. And by doing so Ukraine has no more leverage to keep China natural in the Ukraine Russian dispute, nor does China have anything left to worry about.

Remember that China vetoed UN peacekeeping mission in North Macedonia in 2001 after it established "diplomatic" relationship with Taiwan in 1999. Guatemala is another example. Ukraine is pretty much in the same league, war torn country that pisses off China at the behest of US.

China don't need to openly support Russian "annexation" (I don't think Russia would do that anyway), what China does is just co-veto any possible UNSC resolution against Russia like they did on Syria issue, or even openly lay the blame on Ukraine.
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Ukraine is a complex issue though. In addition to the US it also includes the EU. So I dont know how would China respond if Russia took action there.

However, if I was Russia I would absolutely go for a false-flag operation so that it would have a reason to attack and so that China would save "face" if it supported its position.

It is obvious that the US is stirring up things on Ukraine so its better for Russia to get the initiative and act first
 
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taxiya

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However, if I was Russia I would absolutely go for a false-flag operation so that it would have a reason to attack and so that China would save "face" if it supported its position.
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That is also what I envisioned scenario. Russia is not going to blatantly attack Ukraine but only funnel more weapons and soldiers into east Ukraine. China is not going to openly support intrusion either. Both will be acting responsible :cool: as per USA demanded :D . It has happened in Vietnam and Afghanistan albeit USSR was the receiving end, but the principle of proxy war remains unchanged.
 
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