Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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gadgetcool5

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Someone else can run the numbers, but I am pretty sure Chinese stocks on the US stock exchange have outperformed American stocks there too. Anybody with half a brain know the biggest asset class in China is real estate, and the stock market is a very undercapitalized portion of china's overall wealth.
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If China's stock market is undercapitalized, whose fault is that? China. Having an inefficient stock market where it's hard for companies to raise capital is just a reflection of the immature and poorly organized nature of Chinese markets. Hardly something to boast about.
 

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If China's stock market is undercapitalized, whose fault is that? China. Having an inefficient stock market where it's hard for companies to raise capital is just a reflection of the immature and poorly organized nature of Chinese markets. Hardly something to boast about.
0 percent interest rates and printing money into the hands of billionaires is that effeciency? Propping up zombie corps is that effeciency?
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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In China, you bet on property. You don't want to know what were the prices of Chinese homes 20 years ago and today.

Now after many years of development, China is getting ready for more financial reforms and the stock market is going to play a bigger role than before.
 

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If China's stock market is undercapitalized, whose fault is that? China. Having an inefficient stock market where it's hard for companies to raise capital is just a reflection of the immature and poorly organized nature of Chinese markets. Hardly something to boast about.

Gadgetcool is shilling American stocks just before the top is in.
 

weig2000

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In the last 20 years:
The Shanghai stock market has increased from 2100 to 3500 (or 67%).
In the same period the US stock market has increased from 10500 to 31000 (or 195%).

If you had bet on Chinese stocks you would have lost.

Either you're very ignorant of or intentionally misleading on how wealth is distributed or stored in China and the US over the last two decades.

Here are a few hints for you to do your homework: compare the values and growth of real estate and stock markets in both countries, both in absolute and relative terms. You'll start to gain some understanding of how stupid your implications above are.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Either you're very ignorant of or intentionally misleading on how wealth is distributed or stored in China and the US over the last two decades.

Here are a few hints for you to do your homework: compare the values and growth of real estate and stock markets in both countries, both in absolute and relative terms. You'll start to gain some understanding of how stupid your implications above are.
Show that he is no Chinese as he claim For the Chinese their main investment is brick and not share. You can check the house price in Singapore, Hongkong they all gone thru the roof. Average home is half million dollar
I mean there is nothing special but because of the demand and investment vehicle, status symbol etc they are pricy I would not want to invest in real estate too much maintenance, tax, head ache

This is public housing 1 million dollar

SINGAPORE — Singapore was again the second-most expensive city in the world to buy private property last year.It emerged behind Hong Kong, which remained in first place, in the Global Living report by real estate firm CBRE which compared investment residential properties across 35 global cities.In terms of rentals, however, Singapore was the 10th most expensive.And with property prices inching up just 1.1 per cent last year, the Republic was 27th in growth of house prices.Values in the report are based on prime residential areas as these are “preferred by expatriates”, said CBRE South-east Asia’s head of research Desmond Sim.“In Singapore’s case, the prime market refers to the core central region, or districts 9, 10 and 11,” he said.

The three most expensive places to buy private property, all of which are in Asia, remained unchanged from 2017 to 2018.Singapore’s average property price is US$874,372 (S$1,183,375), with an average price of US$1,063 (S$1,439) per square foot.For prime property prices, Singapore ranked ninth in the world with prices pegged an an average of US$1,243,640 (S$1,686,002).“

As a financial hub, Singapore is known for its skilled talent, ease of doing business, top-notch infrastructure, as well as economic and political stability,” said CBRE South-east Asia’s head of research Desmond Sim. The city has thus been an “attractive location” for multinational companies to establish their regional headquarters, in turn influencing the cost of property ownership in the city, he added.However, property prices here remain “relatively affordable” compared to those in Hong Kong, he said.The average price growth over 2018 is also “one of the lowest” among cities.
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gadgetcool5

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Show that he is no Chinese as he claim For the Chinese their main investment is brick and not share. You can check the house price in Singapore, Hongkong they all gone thru the roof. Average home is half million dollar
I mean there is nothing special but because of the demand and investment vehicle, status symbol etc they are pricy I would not want to invest in real estate too much maintenance, tax, head ache

This is public housing 1 million dollar

SINGAPORE — Singapore was again the second-most expensive city in the world to buy private property last year.It emerged behind Hong Kong, which remained in first place, in the Global Living report by real estate firm CBRE which compared investment residential properties across 35 global cities.In terms of rentals, however, Singapore was the 10th most expensive.And with property prices inching up just 1.1 per cent last year, the Republic was 27th in growth of house prices.Values in the report are based on prime residential areas as these are “preferred by expatriates”, said CBRE South-east Asia’s head of research Desmond Sim.“In Singapore’s case, the prime market refers to the core central region, or districts 9, 10 and 11,” he said.

The three most expensive places to buy private property, all of which are in Asia, remained unchanged from 2017 to 2018.Singapore’s average property price is US$874,372 (S$1,183,375), with an average price of US$1,063 (S$1,439) per square foot.For prime property prices, Singapore ranked ninth in the world with prices pegged an an average of US$1,243,640 (S$1,686,002).“

As a financial hub, Singapore is known for its skilled talent, ease of doing business, top-notch infrastructure, as well as economic and political stability,” said CBRE South-east Asia’s head of research Desmond Sim. The city has thus been an “attractive location” for multinational companies to establish their regional headquarters, in turn influencing the cost of property ownership in the city, he added.However, property prices here remain “relatively affordable” compared to those in Hong Kong, he said.The average price growth over 2018 is also “one of the lowest” among cities.
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You need to cite with some directly comparable statistics, not just selective stories about Singapore, which is not even in China.

Also, how the heck are you bragging about high home prices!? All high home prices do is make it unaffordable for middle and lower class people to have a decent place to live. Excessive property values are a negative, not a positive.
 

SimaQian

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In the last 20 years:
The Shanghai stock market has increased from 2100 to 3500 (or 67%).
In the same period the US stock market has increased from 10500 to 31000 (or 195%).

If you had bet on Chinese stocks you would have lost.
1.) On face value, yes US stocks returns more than Chinese stocks over a period of time. We have to ask ourselves why despite China's economy is booming in the past 20 years. 2000 to 2020.

2.) Most Chinese stocks (excluding stocks in Hong Kong and the new Shanghai Star Board) ) have a cap of max 10% price movement per day.
Why would the authorities would put such limitations? This boils down to overall Chinese ideology - order and harmony. To slow or even stop these market speculators. Sudden stock price movements needs all the market participants to pause and ponder what is really behind the price movements instead of just purely speculation.

3.) Why is gambling is overall illegal in Mainland China and only legal in a very tiny place in Macau? Why would the authorities put this kind of policy? Culturally, Chinese are addicted to gambling for thousands of years. The Chinese communists saw this as a very destructive behaviour for individuals as gambling is just a zero sum game with no value created in between. It was part in the cultural revolution to kick this habit out. Since gambling is out in mainland, so naturally people will itch to throw money in stocks hoping for gains. Now you multiply this to the population size of China and we see why it make sense to control market speculation. Just a little rumor in social media will cause volatity because of the sheer size of individual market participants.

4.) The Chinese authorities dont want these kind of monkeys throwing money left and right ending bankrupting themselves. From president Xi Jinping words himself, he wants to stop this "disorderly expansion of capital".

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solarz

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You need to cite with some directly comparable statistics, not just selective stories about Singapore, which is not even in China.

Also, how the heck are you bragging about high home prices!? All high home prices do is make it unaffordable for middle and lower class people to have a decent place to live. Excessive property values are a negative, not a positive.

This kind of stupidity hurts my eye. On the ignore list you go.
 
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