Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

vesicles

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This is a nice review by a Clinician at University of Cambridge, UK. Check out her citations. They are almost exclusively Chinese studies. So almost everything that we now know about the COVID-19 has been based on studies published by the Chinese clinicians and scientists. Again, the Chinese have been communicating with and sharing their most detailed information with their western colleagues. Not through private conversations among politicians, but in the most open and unbiased manner. In writing and after peer review by international experts. This is the most effective and fair way of sharing professional information.
 

manqiangrexue

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COVID-19 never ceases to amaze me. I have long stopped dismissing any figures or projections since I was shown wrong in dismissing @shanlung 's prediction that it would become a pandemic. I'm all just watch and see now.
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A tiger at the Bronx Zoo tests positive for coronavirus

(CNN)Nadia, a tiger at the Bronx Zoo in New York, has become the first of her kind to test positive for the
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The 4-year-old female Malayan tiger tested positive after developing a dry cough and is expected to recover, the Wildlife Conservation Society's Bronx Zoo said in a
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Samples from Nadia were taken and tested after the tiger -- and five other tigers and lions at the zoo -- began showing symptoms of respiratory illness, according to the
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(USDA). No other animals at the zoo are showing symptoms.
 

Air Force Brat

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COVID-19 never ceases to amaze me. I have long stopped dismissing any figures or projections since I was shown wrong in dismissing @shanlung 's prediction that it would become a pandemic. I'm all just watch and see now.
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A tiger at the Bronx Zoo tests positive for coronavirus

(CNN)Nadia, a tiger at the Bronx Zoo in New York, has become the first of her kind to test positive for the
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The 4-year-old female Malayan tiger tested positive after developing a dry cough and is expected to recover, the Wildlife Conservation Society's Bronx Zoo said in a
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Samples from Nadia were taken and tested after the tiger -- and five other tigers and lions at the zoo -- began showing symptoms of respiratory illness, according to the
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(USDA). No other animals at the zoo are showing symptoms.

yes, this is an startling development, I mean what will happen my friend if the disease enters the wild life population, such as raccoons, coyotes, wild dogs?? or cattle or swine herds?? the fact that a human transmitted the corona virus to a tiger is indeed shocking, is it not??

so don't breath on your dog or cat!
 

Quickie

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yes, this is an startling development, I mean what will happen my friend if the disease enters the wild life population, such as raccoons, coyotes, wild dogs?? or cattle or swine herds?? the fact that a human transmitted the corona virus to a tiger is indeed shocking, is it not??

so don't breath on your dog or cat!

Virus infection is usually very specific to certain animals. Hopefully, the corona virus doesn't go further than infecting cats, the tiger included.
 

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This is a recent study done by Italians to analyze why the death rate in Italy is so much higher than that in China. In their analysis, China's data for the age groups 0 to 69 years old were very similar to those of Italy in the same age groups. Even when they compared age group of >80 years old, China's number matched that of the Italians almost exactly, 21.9% of China vs. 20.2% of Italy). The big difference came from the population of the age group >70 year old in China (~12%) vs. Italy (~22%). This accounts for the markedly higher fatality rate in Italy than in China.

Keep in mind that China published their numbers almost a month before the Italians. There was no way the Chinese could make up their numbers to match those of the Italians... All the professional studies all confirm the validity of the Chinese numbers. Of course, the politicians don't care about what the professionals say. If they do, we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with. Back in Feb, medical experts in the US had been warning the politicians about a potential disaster. No politicians, local or federal, cared too much about what the professionals had to say... We had been portrayed as fearmongers... "Oh! those scientists are just trying to scare us to give them more fundings..." Yes, now you will have to shell out thousands times more in bailout packages...
 

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Not looking good for the guy if it's gotten to this point.
The UK had faced criticism for its slow response to the coronavirus, with Johnson still shaking hands of patients with the virus in hospital just a few weeks ago.
I'd post a facepalm jpeg but you shouldn't put your hand on your face.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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He is the PM, so I'm sure they have specially reserved EMCO, blood plasma, the works just for him, no?
None of that stuff works very well. The bitter truth here is that it's your immune system vs. the virus, there's not an expensive or rare treatment that could boost your odds significantly. If your immune system can't overcome it alone, that's the end.
 

vesicles

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Remember Chloroquine? Our President Trump promoted the anti-malaria drug at his daily news briefing a few weeks ago. Guess who came up with the idea? Well, a Chinese group first published this study on Feb. 29 (official publication) and published online on Feb 19 (meaning that they did the clinical study in January):

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And the much touted New York doctor, Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, did a similar thing but his study came out a month later at the end of March:

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vesicles

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If some governments want to blame the Chinese for starting the outbreak, fine! they can do that. As Trump said, the virus did come from China. As of today, most of the genomic and epidemiological studies are consistent with this conclusion. To this day, I have not seen anything convincing to say otherwise. I don't care much about any of the conspiracy theories. I want to see hardcore scientific data. To this day, I have not seen any. Before I see that, the current conclusion still stands. The virus originated in China, maybe Wuhan and some other places.

With that being said, you will also need to give credit where the credit is due. The Chinese have shared almost all their information on the virus itself and the outbreak in China. Almost everything they've shared have been checked out by the professionals around the world. The sad thing is that, although all the medical professionals around the world have been very well informed of the COVID-19 by their Chinese colleagues, their politicians simply refuse to listen. Governments around the world simply ignored the warnings of their own medical professionals after the experts have learned the grave danger of this virus from their Chinese colleagues. Then when poop hits the fan, the politicians simply tossed away the fact that the Chinese doctors and scientists have given them everything that they had and desperately tried to warn them of the danger since early January.

Some politicians tend to use confusing part of the data, such as the unreported cases, to discredit China. However, it is absolutely natural to have confusing data. This is a new virus and it makes perfect sense to have confusing things. Modern medicine and biology in general are confusing. Most of the biological molecules, which we may have studied for decades, are still confusing to most of us. It would not make any sense if, all of a sudden, everything about COVID-19 all lines up! That's actually a huge warning sign that something fishy is going on... Yet, some politicians take advantage of these honest and confusing parts and discredit the scientists.
 
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