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solarz

Brigadier
Whatever, the case I think we have given this debate more than enough pages. It's not a subject likely to change any minds and falls into the category of punditry. You will see those who argue for or against the second Amendment of the US constitution based on Ideology and interpretation. Added bonus points as this was a Politically motivated action, An Act of terror meaning that even if not for a gun He would likely have used other means like Explosives. So were all spinning our Proverbial Wheels. which brings me to my intended point we are I think in need of a reminder of the Forum Rules of behavior.
  1. Stay on topic. Off-topic discussions, if they persist, will be moved or deleted.
  2. Post any purely political comments of any sort.
  3. No discussion of purely political issues.
Gun Control of the US is not a breaking news story, It's a long time debate and purely political in scope.

Terran, explosives *are* highly controlled and monitored. After Tim McVeigh, the feds began monitoring any purchase of large quantities of fertilizer. After Boston, feds started monitoring google searches for *pressure cookers*!

If Omar Mateen had been trying to build an explosive, the feds would certainly have nabbed him.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Bottom line...better gun purchase background check policy needs to be in place. But again a "good person with a gun can turn into a bad person with a gun in a heart beat," therefore ruin it for every other law abiding gun owners.:mad:
 

solarz

Brigadier
Sol, Homemade explosives and pipe bomb manufacturing instructions are available right here on the web.

Sure, but getting the materials in sufficient quantity for an attack will certainly catch the attention of the authorities.

On the other hand, getting an assault rifle and a few hundred rounds won't trigger a single alert.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
actually I beg to differ, small scale attacks like the florida nightclub with an enclosed location and high potential casualty could be built using materials found in any home depot. materials wouldn't need a background check or specialized approval.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
At the end of the day it all boils down to convenience and ease of use as well as the practically of carrying out an act from a tool or tools. Human beings are creatures of convenience and generally speaking lazy.

For the most part an individual weighs the pros and cons of such matter before execution. It applies to every single aspect of a human action including murder and killing. If a human has to 'work' too hard to achieve something most likely he will give up. Of course every person's threshold is different based on motivations and other factors but the fundamentals is the same. Would you walk 10 miles to grab a cup of Starbucks? Would you do X amount of work to kill a person? Perhaps but if the work is 100x harder, you may just walk because the effort may not justify the end result..

I mean heck that is the very reason why weapons or tools even existed and created in the first place. To ease convenience while maximizing effect. Be it a hammer/nail or gun/destruction or machines.
The key to the legalities of firearm use is what is the proper threshold that we as nation needs to set that is acceptable? How can we balance the 2nd amendment against too much destructive power in the hands of an individual?
 
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There are many ways to destroy and kill, many not realistically preventable, which is why the first fight is really about hearts and minds, which takes us into politics.
 

solarz

Brigadier
actually I beg to differ, small scale attacks like the florida nightclub with an enclosed location and high potential casualty could be built using materials found in any home depot. materials wouldn't need a background check or specialized approval.

It's not about background checks.

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Now if they were searching for AR-15...
 
At the end of the day it all boils down to convenience and ease of use as well as the practically of carrying out an act from a tool or tools. Human beings are creatures of convenience and generally speaking lazy.

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people why don't you establish Threads about Gun Control/Laziness Of Humans/Whatever Off Topic stuff you talk here in sooo long posts clogging
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Labour MP Jo Cox shot in West Yorkshire – latest updates
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Labour MP Jo Cox has died after she was shot and stabbed on a street in her West Yorkshire constituency.

The 41-year-old, who was married with two young daughters aged three and five, was left lying bleeding on the pavement in Birstall, near Leeds.

One witness said she was also kicked during the attack, while another reported three shots, including one "round the head area".

A 52-year-old man has been arrested. He has been named locally as Tommy Mair, and police say they are not looking for anyone else.

The attack is believed to have taken place as Mrs Cox came out of the town's library, where she had been holding an advice surgery and meeting constituents.
Her husband Brendan released a moving statement: "Today is the beginning of a new chapter in our lives. More difficult, more painful, less joyful, less full of love. I and Jo's friends and family are going to work every moment of our lives to love and nurture our kids and to fight against the hate that killed Jo.

"Jo believed in a better world and she fought for it every day of her life with an energy, and a zest for life that would exhaust most people.

"She would have wanted two things above all else to happen now, one that our precious children are bathed in love and two, that we all unite to fight against the hatred that killed her. Hate doesn't have a creed, race or religion, it is poisionous."

Mr Cox had earlier tweeted a picture of the former senior Oxfam activist near Tower Bridge, close to where the family have a houseboat.
Mrs Cox, who was elected as MP for the Batley and Spen seat in last year's general election, was taken to hospital in a critical condition following the attack but police later confirmed she had died.

A 77-year-old man suffered non-threatening injuries in a nearby incident, according to officers.

Eyewitness Hichem Ben Abdallah said a "very brave" bystander tried to stop a man who shot Mrs Cox twice and assaulted her.

Some reports said that two men had been involved in an argument in the street before Ms Cox intervened and was attacked.

Mr Abdallah, who was in a cafe next door to the library, told Sky News he heard two shots.
He saw a man wearing a "dirty white baseball cap" who started "jostling with somebody", a bystander who appeared to be trying to stop him.

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He said: "There was a guy who was being very brave and another guy with a white baseball cap who he was trying to control, and the man in the baseball cap suddenly pulled a gun from his bag.

"He was fighting with her and wrestling with her and then the gun went off twice."

Mr Abdallah said Mrs Cox was shot from between two cars and then kicked as she lay on the ground.
"It looked like a gun from, I don't know, the First World War or a makeshift, handmade gun. It's not sort of like the kind of gun you see normally."

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Mr Abdallah described a hysterical situation with lots of people screaming, but added that the gunman walked off "very, very coolly, very slowly".

Constituent Susan Baxter paid tribute to Mrs Cox, telling Sky News: "She was for the people, you could go to her with anything. She was like a big sister or a surrogate mum. This is heartbreaking."

Hairdresser Claire Saville said: "She absolutely understood you, you wouldn't think she was an MP. Why do that to a defenceless woman?
"She's got children, that's all I can think of at this time. She's gone to work to do a job she cares about and now she's not coming home to them. I'm devastated."

A vigil has been held at St Peter's Church in Birstall, and flowers have been laid alongside a statue of 18th century theologian Joseph Priestley in the town.

One tribute read: "To our dear Jo, snatched so cruelly from us but loved and remembered always."

Mrs Cox is the first MP to be murdered in office since Conservative politician Ian Gow was killed by an IRA car bomb in 1990.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said she was a "much-loved colleague" who "died doing her public duty at the heart of our democracy, listening to and representing the people she was elected to serve".
Video: Cameron: 'We've Lost A Star'
He later led a vigil surrounded by colleagues in Parliament Square, telling reporters that the politician's death was "beyond appalling".

Prime Minister David Cameron said: "We've lost a great star. She had a big heart and people are going to be very, very sad at what has happened."

The EU referendum Remain and Leave campaigns suspended their activities for Thursday and Friday as a result of the attack, and Mr Cameron cancelled a pro-EU rally in Gibraltar.

In the hours after the attack, The Guardian reported that a man was being interviewed by police over an abusive phone call made to the office of MP Ben Bradshaw.
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