Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36)

Tomboy

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In red I drew what appears to me to be the tail booms, while in orange is what appears to me as the 2d nozzle cutout. The cutout at least to me is not appearing to be visible because of the angle/perspective and the long zoom. I placed my model with the 2D TVC nozzles at a similar angle and as you can see the cutout is not as obvious as you would expect at this angle.
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Hm fair enough, so those trench exhaust are never coming back I guess, very unfortunate IMO.
 
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GiantCanofWater

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The original picture is so hard to analyze. I find the middle line to be really long but I'm not sure if that extends past what would be the 2D tvc nozzle. Would the "tail boom" reflections between the 3 main ones look plausible if you look at this image? 36e95ada-b52e-46c4-a50f-a8b23dc2f8a6_5dbe3eb3.jpg
 

latenlazy

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Is it possible to change 2DTVC to SERN by inserting a plate behind the bottom of the lower TVC vane?
Presumably the first prototype’s trench nozzle was supposed to be a flexible flap to facilitate TVC. They probably found issues with this implementation in testing, hence the switch to a standard 2D TVC in later test units. What that tells us is TVC is more essential to the plane’s requirements than the trench nozzle.
 

Blitzo

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Hm fair enough, so those trench exhaust are never coming back I guess, very unfortunate IMO.

I think we need a definitive good quality image of this new prototype (ideally being able to confirm that it is actually the newest prototype as opposed to say, newly released old footage of an earlier prototype) to see what the specific nozzle arrangement is.

It could be prototype 1's arrangement, or prototype 2+3's arrangement, or something in between/new for all we know.


The problem with tracking this J-36 project overall, unironically is the lack of clear prototype serials on each of the airframes. This is not a problem we had with J-20, FC-31 or J-35, or other previous fighter projects, so this is a bit of a new situation for us.

- This is the 4th prototype and also the 5th prototype (Not sure what he meant by this? Did he mean that the original 4th prototype was upgraded significantly enough into a "new" 5th prototype, or that the 4th and 5th prototypes are generally the same?)

Not sure how it was originally phrased, but one way to make it plausible, is that it's the 4th flying prototype and the 5th overall prototype (i.e.: one of the 5 prototypes being a static load aircraft)
 
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