Isn't the WS-20 developed with WS-10 engine core ?
And given that the (low-bypass) WS-15 is now in mass production, it makes sense to develop new [high-bypass] and [medium-bypass] versions with the WS-15 engine core.
H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)
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Isn't the WS-20 developed with WS-10 engine core ?
And given that the (low-bypass) WS-15 is now in mass production, it makes sense to develop new [high-bypass] and [medium-bypass] versions with the WS-15 engine core.
The SFC of 0.665 is for the WS-18?
No, quoting the original post here, D-30KP-2/WS-18 has a official SFC of 0.705 kg/(kgf*h) in cruise. Where in an academic paper discussing a flying wing bomber, it mentioned a new target engine which could replace the WS-18 with little modification and has a cruise SFC of 0.665kg/(kgf*h).
Instead of focusing on the bomber size written in the paper, it focuses on changing the engines without redesigning/reconfiguring the inlets and nozzles of the aircraft. Which could make sense for an H-20 like bomber, where WS-18's are used as a stopgap for the prototyping stage, while a newer more efficient medium bypass can be easily swapped in for a production model.
Yankee implied again in today's stream that H-20 is in the works. Specifically the topic for the stream was using B-21/B-2 for anti-ship. Naturally the topic flows onto PLAAF's own bomber force being potentially being used against US carriers and Yankee said about
"It's because they heard something."
Two people in the stream immediately understood what he was implying:
礼器 means an object rich in symbolism used for rituals. It's because in the past they specifically referred to H-20 as a 鼎/Ding - a ceremonial cauldron that symbolizes imperial power and right to rule. There's an idiom called 问鼎中原 which comes from a story where King of Chu asked how much did the Ding of Zhou Dynasty weighs, with the implication that he was planning to have one of his own made and challenge Zhou's rule.
"It's because they heard something."
Two people in the stream immediately understood what he was implying:
礼器 means an object rich in symbolism used for rituals. It's because in the past they specifically referred to H-20 as a 鼎/Ding - a ceremonial cauldron that symbolizes imperial power and right to rule. There's an idiom called 问鼎中原 which comes from a story where King of Chu asked how much did the Ding of Zhou Dynasty weighs, with the implication that he was planning to have one of his own made and challenge Zhou's rule.
plawolf
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That’s incorrect on multiple levels.
Stealth bombers are not designed nor required to be your least detectable asset. They just need to be hard enough to detect from far away enough to be able to get their payloads within range to hit their intended targets with a sufficiently high probability.
Secondly, you do not use your stealth bombers as scouts or hunter killers, you use them to kill targets your scouts have detected and identified for you.
In that respect, your scout assets are your least detectable assets, which makes easy sense because you don’t need to burden their designs with the need to carry a huge internal weapons bay for the munitions your stealth bomber will instead be bringing to the party, so with the same tech level, you can make your scouts more stealthy than your bombers and at lower costs.
Ultra long range weapons also makes perfect sense as they make the most of the bomber’s weapons pay dimensions; use range to make up for the bomber’s own lack of speed; and also provide additional stand-off safety for the bomber to go after hard targets like enemy warships and aircraft without increasing the risk to the bomber itself.
...I thought Temstar's implication was that the US wants such a AAM to use against the H-20?
You misunderstood me. The point was that it makes little sense to bet on intermediate range anti-air missile against a target you don't see from afar.
(but broadly - Stealth bombers are very hard to spot as they have the least compromised and broadband geometry among all flying assets, as well as size to accept wider band RAMs, they're in fact some of the most capable ISR nodes within their tech generation, and as such they're specifically self-contained reconnaissance/strike systems...)
Perhaps the thinking was a space based system like SB-AMTI would have more luck picking up flying wing bombers from long distance, thus the need for a very long range air-to-air weapon to take advantage of it.
You would of course not expect H-20 to be designed to fly right over the carrier and drop iron bombs on it, at the minimum you would think it would be dropping weapons similar to LRASM like the recent B-2 exercise. If you let such a bomber get too close to the carrier thanks to its VLO nature it would be too late to stop the attack, even if you could take out the bomber on its way out after it launched its attack.