J-35A fighter (PLAAF) + FC-31

Gloire_bb

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The trend of Sindoor engagement already forced a huge Indian shift to (far enough) stand off strike. It was very successful, though clearly it was not a thing India intended (highly escalatory; very high reliance on Brahmos and to a lesser degree SCALP, which was plain expensive and unsustainable).

As India is a very big customer of Israeli strike technology/ecosystem, since early 2020s they're moving towards Israeli air launched ballistics (rampage, air LORA).
They fly quite far, they are very affordable; after Sindoor, this trend line went into the sky.

J-35 is indeed meant to be used for offensive counter air/sead/dead, i.e. counters this threat. But first priority here isn't going on offensive, first priority is protecting Pakistan from immediate consequences. Pakistan is a narrow/exposed country, it is a high priority.

Furthermore, offensive counter air/sead is also a highly risky mission, and frankly up to debate if China will be thrilled about high risk J-35 ops over Indian soil.
Finally, if we assume it comes against Su-57, it's a broken logic chain. Yes, countering Su-57 with J-35 will be necessary, as Balakot/Sindoor like exchanges are likely. But other than that... see below.
Of course if and when India does get Su-57s, they will rush to acquire the Gyrafalcon, and said Su-57s would basically drop like flies were they to face off in the air.
Su-57D assumingly denies other stealth offensive ops more than the other way around. It is, after all, a flying dual band array ... unless India will break that with insisting on their own radar.
Furthermore, it isn't an offensive platform with it's perceived 0.1m class main band RCS. It is enough to be unfair for J-10 in crystal Sindoor-like 1v1 ambush, but HQ-9BE/16FE are there to ensure fairness.
Su-57s don't fly even over Ukraine, after all. They were never meant to. I.e. even without J-35, more likely than not - they won't be able to break balance beyond these inconsequential border exchanges.

Basically, until China exports new generation VLOs which aim at L band, Su-57D is more of a status quo keeper. It also comes with a significant trick; it'll have almost zero compatibility with existing and known future indian weapons ecosystem. French, Israeli and legacy Russian systems simply won't fit in.
I.e. it's going to be an expensive procurement.
 
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Does anyone have a idea on the trm modules on the j35/A radar it's Cooling and how it compares to the upcoming AN/APG-85 on the f35 block 4 both radome is simular size but J35/A is twin engine an is larger so more room for cooling J35 is using WS21 an J35A is using Ws19 which should have the power for a radar in the same league as AN/APG-85 or higher
 

Wrought

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Does anyone have a idea on the trm modules on the j35/A radar an it's Cooling and how it compares to the upcoming AN/APG-85 on the f35 block 4 both radome is simular size but J35/A is twin engine an is larger so more room for cooling J35 is using WS21 an J35A is using Ws19 which should have the power for a radar in the same league as AN/APG-85 or higher

No.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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@单手搓核弹 on Weibo, posting an article with the title:
沈飞展示歼-35“脉动生产线”CG,年产100架并非遥不可及!
Shenyang AC unveiled a CG rendering of the J-35(/A)'s "pulse production line", producing 100 units per year is not out of reach!

Adorable Whale, quote-posting:
就歼-35这种把制造工艺优化到极致的飞机称其“年产100并非遥不可及”简直是对它的侮辱 (doge)
For an aircraft like the J-35(/A), which has pushed manufacturing craftsmanship to its absolute peak, saying that "an annual production of 100 units is not out of reach" is nothing short of an insult (doge)

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ACuriousPLAFan

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So the potential production figure is much higher than a 100?
What does Adorable Whale means by "nothing short of an insult (doge)"? Does he mean the 100 number is too low?

I believe Adorable Whale is just making fun of how @单手搓核弹 described the J-35 family's annual production rate.

As for the prospective annual production rate of the J-35 family - Given the new-built large production site at the outskirts of Shenyang (slated for completion sometime this year if not next year), surpassing the 100 units/year mark is certainly achievable. However, "how many units more than 100 units" is an open question, and I would suggest to be cautious and conservative for the time being.
 
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Gloire_bb

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I believe Adorable Whale is just making fun of how @单手搓核弹 described the J-35 family's annual production rate.

As for the prospective annual production rate of the J-35 family - Given the new-built large production site at the outskirts of Shenyang (slated for completion sometime this year if not next year), surpassing the 100 units/year mark is certainly achievable. However, "how many units more than 100 units" is an open question, and I would suggest to be cautious and conservative for the time being.
Tbh, given how things in China still work, I won't be terribly surprised that production goals are aimed squarely at F-35 production capability.
It doesn't mean they'll have to be reached (without world of customers you'll be paying for that yourself).
 

bsdnf

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With new manufacturing technologies, a completely new production line, and lower manufacturing costs compared to the J-20, its production potential clearly exceeds 100 aircraft per year.

However, the question remains: will there be customers who need to realize this potential? For example, will the progress of the sixth-generation fighter jet development affect the PLAAF's procurement, and will sufficient export orders be secured? High production capacity potential does not mean it will be sold off cheaply.
 

mack8

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I don't think anyone is expecting high rate production for the 6th gens much before 2030, so meanwhile maximum production for the J-20 and J-35 is the obvious choice. PLAAF is still inferior numerically to USAF in 5 gens, and PLANAF can use every 5th gen it can get given it's own numerical disparity vs the USN. So a combined 150-ish J-35 and J-35A per year is not so outlandish, not counting exports (which i'm sure they will come, look how late J-10 was exported in it's production, i would expect J-35 to be exported far earlier than that, given all the hints we got so far)
 
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