J-35A fighter (PLAAF) + FC-31

[Gloire_bb]

Probably 2030s, and only if forced (FGFA).

J-10ce fleet is shiny, fresh and covered in fame. At the very least, they counter Rafales at a great economic rato.

PAF hasn't replaced it's legacy fleet yet. As all other air forces, PAF will soon need to find somewhere money for drones.

The very last thing Pakistan needs is forcing fighter arms race with India(GDP >10 times that of Pakistan).

 

[Deino]

If you could define the German soon, I am curious of your soon time frame

Well, according to the German Duden dictionary, "soon"has the meaning after the lapse of a relatively short period of time, or simply "in the very near future" ... overall it can be further defined as:

a. within a short time, after a relatively brief period.
b. easily, quickly, rapidly, almost, nearly.

... In the context of such a supposedly pending delivery, for Germans, the adverb "soon" would therefore imply a timeframe of a few days to, at best, a few weeks! ... whereas my impression regarding the other mentioned geographical region is that "soon" there can also mean "within 10 to 12 years"!

 

[Ali Qizilbash]

Well, according to the German Duden dictionary, "soon"has the meaning after the lapse of a relatively short period of time, or simply "in the very near future" ... overall it can be further defined as:

a. within a short time, after a relatively brief period.
b. easily, quickly, rapidly, almost, nearly.

... In the context of such a supposedly pending delivery, for Germans, the adverb "soon" would therefore imply a timeframe of a few days to, at best, a few weeks! ... whereas my impression regarding the other mentioned geographical region is that "soon" there can also mean "within 10 to 12 years"!

Indian soon is ASAP basically with emphasis on P. And that P is not very soon.

Pakistani soon is best demonstrated by J10 deliveries.

 

[zyklon]

Very soon, in PAC Kamra

So how soon is "very soon?"

But only according to the „Indian/Pakistani“ soon, surely not the German one!

Just as with Pakistan's procurement of the J-10CE, the biggest hurdle to Pakistan's acquisition of the J-35AE is financial.

Islamabad was able to acquire the J-10CE because Beijing felt compelled to finance the deal following New Delhi's acquisition of the Dassault Rafale out of a desire to maintain the regional balance of power.

With that said, China probably ain't ready to float Pakistan's purchase of the J-35AE — just yet — as Zhongnanhai isn't usually particularly keen on stirring up arms races.

However, there's been chatter — or at least speculation — that the ongoing conflict in the Persian Gulf has given Saudi Arabia cause to beef up the Pakistani military in general, and perhaps expedite the PAF's acquisition of the J-35AE in particular.

Even though @_killuminati_ have had our share of disagreements, I do suspect that there's a reasonable chance that the PAF will be inducting the J-35AE into service earlier than expected.

Granted, no fidelity as to just how much earlier, but perhaps — as in plausibly — late 2020s instead of early or mid 2030s.

 

[AlexYe]

Very soon, in PAC Kamra

Idk about very soon, eventually maybe esp if the Indus water treaty issues dont get resolved.

PAF has remained defensive past 20 years but if IWT doesnt get resolved then they might need to switch tactics to get offensive so they might be feeling the need, Having frames that can delay radar visibility to do some surprise attack would be invaluable

 

[_killuminati_]

So how soon is "very soon?"



Just as with Pakistan's procurement of the J-10CE, the biggest hurdle to Pakistan's acquisition of the J-35AE is financial.

Islamabad was able to acquire the J-10CE because Beijing felt compelled to finance the deal following New Delhi's acquisition of the Dassault Rafale out of a desire to maintain the regional balance of power.

With that said, China probably ain't ready to float Pakistan's purchase of the J-35AE — just yet — as Zhongnanhai isn't usually particularly keen on stirring up arms races.

However, there's been chatter — or at least speculation — that the ongoing conflict in the Persian Gulf has given Saudi Arabia cause to beef up the Pakistani military in general, and perhaps expedite the PAF's acquisition of the J-35AE in particular.

Even though @_killuminati_ have had our share of disagreements, I do suspect that there's a reasonable chance that the PAF will be inducting the J-35AE into service earlier than expected.

Granted, no fidelity as to just how much earlier, but perhaps — as in plausibly — late 2020s instead of early or mid 2030s.

I was just pulling @Deino 's leg.
I don't think PAF needs it atm, rather they just float the idea to take jabs at India; more like "if you persist on getting something better than the Rafale, then we can too" (regardless of if it's available). More of a fear-instilling tactic than anything to keep IAF adventures at a distance.

 

[siegecrossbow]

I don’t see the need for PAF to expedite J-35 unless India is acquiring AMCA or Su-57 within five years.

 

[Deino]

...
Pakistani soon is best demonstrated by J10 deliveries.

Really? What also took several years when you compare the grandiose announcements made by some on various social media platforms with the actual deliveries, the situation is exactly the same again regarding the next J-10 shipment—supposedly coming "soon"—and the J-35AEs, which are allegedly on the verge of delivery!

 

[Ali Qizilbash]

Really? What also took several years when you compare the grandiose announcements made by some on various social media platforms with the actual deliveries, the situation is exactly the same again regarding the next J-10 shipment—supposedly coming "soon"—and the J-35AEs, which are allegedly on the verge of delivery!

Don't quote me out of context. I was comparing Indian and pakistani procurement delivery timelines. It was a taunt on Indian procurement delivery time lines.

Secondly, Pakistani J 10's were actually delivered in a very expedited mode. Are you questioning that?

Also what relation my post above has to do with the statements made on various social media claims regarding J35?

 

[MeiouHades]

IMO the safest bet is that they won't be getting them unless India inks a deal for some Su-57s first. The Pakistanis should have learned that they need to better focus on the gaps in their air defense first and conventional strike capability such as India's BrahMos; the air warfare part they've already done excellent in. Of course if and when India does get Su-57s, they will rush to acquire the Gyrafalcon, and said Su-57s would basically drop like flies were they to face off in the air.