New (not totally) sailless SSN (09X?) thread

[GTI]

Good catch the 095A is obviously an Air Force variant that’s right the PLAAF is *flying* nuclear submarines.

Don’t be silly. It means 09V is CATOBAR-capable /s.

Is the 095A an even improved variant of the 095 or are we just looking at the PLAN's version of PLAAF J-35/A?

What is it exactly, without using any illogical J-35/A analogies, that are you trying to ask?

 

[UmbraPenumbra]

Don’t be silly. It means 09V is CATOBAR-capable /s.


What is it exactly, without using any illogical J-35/A analogies, that are you trying to ask?

The "A" variant as in the less capable but cheaper and mass producible variant, just like what the PLAAF J-35A is to the PLAN J-35 if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Tomboy]

This submarine is IMO less revolutionary compared to the 09V. It's has a hybrid hull if not just a full double hull judging by the low waterline compared to 09V, there hasn't been clear proof yet but some rumors and pretty much everyone with access to clear imagery is saying it has a conventional sail, I wouldn't even call the "small sail" label HI Sutton is trying to slap on as something unique or revolutionary, USN has been doing something similar since Virginia Block III with their thin foil sail idea and 09V also seemingly have a thin and short sail as well from the imageries.

but the specific question is whether anyone had been expecting a new capability SSN of some sort to emerge to begin with, especially from JN, and on that note the answer seems to be yes.

I can't be bothered to argue further but I still feel like it is still pretty important to say that absolutely no one was expecting anything new from JN not even the trios in the slightest. It's pretty obvious from initial reactions that the first nuclear boat from JN is a SSN instead of the ice breaker. The only somewhat expected thing was that JN might start building nuclear submarined and even then it wasn't really a done deal in tone like many of the other rumors we got from them much less expecting something "new" on the first boat.

 

[Tessier2501]

The "A" variant as in the less capable but cheaper and mass producible variant, just like what the PLAAF J-35A is to the PLAN J-35 if I'm not mistaken.

For PLAN, increasing letter suffixes usually indicate upgrades, such as Type 054-054A-054B. For PLAAF, letter suffixes usually still indicate upgrades or the first letters of its specific ability in pinyin, such as J20-J20A (the better J20)-J20S (S is the first letter of the Chinese pinyin for "double", meaning double-seated).

The J35/J35A is a unique example and should not be considered representative. Even for it, we should consider A to represent an Air Force-modified version rather than a downgraded one.

 

[AndrewS]

The "A" variant as in the less capable but cheaper and mass producible variant, just like what the PLAAF J-35A is to the PLAN J-35 if I'm not mistaken.

Source?

I would expect the Jiangnan "A" to be an evolution of the Type-095, so it would be cheaper and more mass producible.

But I don't see them making it less capable in undersea warfare.

 

[AndrewS]

Anyhow at current production rate (5 boats per year) it is possible for PLAN to reach a similar number in around 6 years, so maybe USN supremacy is coming to an end far sooner than most expects?

Bear in mind that this 5 SSNs per year includes three boats which are the first in class, which presumably take more time/work to build than subsequent boats.

So once they get going with a mature design and manufacturing process, that would imply production capacity of six SSNs per year, with current staffing levels.

 

[Tomboy]

Bear in mind that this 5 SSNs per year includes three boats which are the first in class, which presumably take more time/work to build than subsequent boats.

So once they get going with a mature design and manufacturing process, that would imply production capacity of six SSNs per year, with current staffing levels.

Well actually apparently only 4 this year because the Huludao submarine turned out not to be a submarine at all but just a 130x26m tugboat

 

[drowingfish]

Bear in mind that this 5 SSNs per year includes three boats which are the first in class, which presumably take more time/work to build than subsequent boats.

So once they get going with a mature design and manufacturing process, that would imply production capacity of six SSNs per year, with current staffing levels.

still doesnt mean anything. after commissioning it still takes years before the PLAN truly becomes proficient with these vessels and effectively employ its combat power in their naval doctrine.

 

[AndrewS]

still doesnt mean anything. after commissioning it still takes years before the PLAN truly becomes proficient with these vessels and effectively employ its combat power in their naval doctrine.

Yes, it will take years.

But we can see China is set on this path.

In 10 years time, we can credibly see China fielding a submarine force which is both larger and more technologically advanced than what the US submarine force comprises.

 

[jnd85]

Well actually apparently only 4 this year because the Huludao submarine turned out not to be a submarine at all but just a 130x26m tugboat

Hi, can you link to what you mean about the supposed Huludao submarine turning out to not be a submarine? I can't find it in earlier comments here or elsewhere and am really curious.