Future PLAN orbat discussion

[AndrewS]

How about a situation when the SSBN needs to run away from a pursuing enemy SSN? Of course this is needed only if the unthinkable happens, but if things got to that point the SSBN needs every ounce of advantage it can get to survive long enough to launch it's SLBMs.

The SSN would be at most, 15knots faster than the SSBN.

Based on the ADCAP torpedo specifications, the SSN would need to get to within 10nm? for the ADCAP to hit an SSBN directly running away.

But the SSBN could launch torpedoes backwards at the noisy SSN. And the SSN is running directly into the path of the torpedo.

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I'm not against a SSBN being of a sailless design. But shouldn't they test out the sailless SSN design first, before deciding to use it on an SSBN?

 

[Phead128]

Never dance to your enemy’s tunes. If the US and its vassals blockade the Indian Ocean, assemble your fleet and start an island hopping campaign towards the CONUS. 攻其必救。

The moment China built a EMALS nuclear carrier the same or bigger than Ford is the moment it started to dance to the enemy's tune? China has larger economy and ship building than US so carrier parity is a matter of political decision if they ever want to fight US on blue waters in Indian ocean to protect oil imports. Otherwise, turtle shell in first island chain with limited war doesn't need any carriers or carrier parity.

Also, island hopping towards CONUS doesn't solve that oil imports from Middle East is cut off? Will US give up because it lost first and second island chain? There is no oil resources there to replace ME.

 

[vincent]

The moment China built a EMALS nuclear carrier the same or bigger than Ford is the moment it started to dance to the enemy's tune? China has larger economy and ship building than US so carrier parity is a matter of political decision if they ever want to fight US on blue waters in Indian ocean to protect oil imports. Otherwise, turtle shell in first island chain with limited war doesn't need any carriers or carrier parity.

I was responding to your comment on sending PLAN fleets to the Indian Ocean to fight.

Also, island hopping towards CONUS doesn't solve that oil imports from Middle East is cut off? Will US give up because it lost first and second island chain? There is no oil resources there to replace ME.

Crude imports will become less and less important to China, as amply demonstrated today

 

[Dante80]

The recent US blockade of Straits of Hormuz, where China imports 35-45% of it's oil, I am not sure what PLAN could have done without parity of nuclear carriers. Hypothetically, US can assemble 11 carrier group + 9 helicopter carriers to straddle SLOC in Indian ocean (or a choke point) and cut off China's vital supplies. What can China do without nuclear carrier parity in a blue water confrontation in Indian ocean? What's the point of building carrier fleet if not parity count to defeat USN in Indian ocean?

As I said, there is no need for carrier parity, as far as defense is concerned. There is no scenario where the US surges the numbers you are alluding too. That is not how things work in real life.

Moreover, not only there is no realistic way to cut off China, but if needed, you don't use carriers to sink carriers. You use missiles.