Trump 2.0 official thread

[Serb]

If even your most loyal satellite states are starting to jump ship like this, and your own government is sitting at 17 percent trust even before the Epstein files fully exploded and before the Iran war even began, then congratulations, you have already used up 99 percent of your imperial HP.

“We regarded Witkoff and Kushner as Israeli assets that dragged a president into a war he wants to get out of.” - UK national security adviser Jonathan Powell

He reportedly saw Iran’s nuclear offer during negotiations as serious enough to prevent escalation. Diplomats say real progress was being made, and the proposal was “unexpectedly substantial.”

Britain viewed the later strikes as premature, believing diplomacy was still working. Jonathan Powell reportedly labeled Witkoff and Kushner as Israeli assets that dragged Trump into the war. Source: The Guardian

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[Lethe]

If even your most loyal satellite states are starting to jump ship like this, and your own government is sitting at 17 percent trust even before the Epstein files fully exploded and before the Iran war even began, then congratulations, you have already used up 99 percent of your imperial HP.

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That senior UK officials were at the negotiating table and therefore able to recognise that diplomacy had not been exhausted goes some way toward explaining why the UK didn't instantly and reflexively accede to Trump's demands in those early hours of the war.

P.S. The Guardian

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attributes the statement about Kushner and Witkoff to a "diplomat with knowledge of the talks", not Powell specifically.

 

[iewgnem]

Actual collapse of the empire, didn't expect it to be this quick. I hope he actually goes trough with it, would love to see the face of all these Eurocuck leaders when they hear that america would no longer be providing protection for them. All of Europe might actually get regime changed the moment America withdraws their soldiers and weapons since these leaders have record low approval ratings.

After seeing what happened to gulf countries, US bases across ME and Trump begging everyone and even China for help, and now learning an American carrier suffered a weapons grade laundry machine strike, I suspect the desire to retain American "protection" might not be as strong as it used to be.

 

[Serb]

That carrier debacle truly can't be spun in any way; either terrible incompetence or widespread mutiny, at a critical juncture, or a first modern successful attack on it done by Iran.

 

[Wrought]

As widely expected, Trump's visit has been postponed. No clarity on what the new date will be, but somewhere in the ballpark of 1-2 months.

President Donald Trump told reporters Tuesday that he would delay his trip to China for "five or six weeks," officially pushing the major summit after administration officials opened the door to the trip's postponement as they focus on the war with Iran.

"We're resetting the meeting, and it looks like it'll take place in about five weeks," Trump said, later saying five or six weeks. "We're working with China. They were fine with it." Trump said that he is looking forward to seeing Chinese President Xi Jinping, adding, "We have a very good working relationship with China."

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[siegecrossbow]

As widely expected, Trump's visit has been postponed. No clarity on what the new date will be, but somewhere in the ballpark of 1-2 months.

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Watch the delay go from five to six weeks to five and six months…

 

[plawolf]

That carrier debacle truly can't be spun in any way; either terrible incompetence or widespread mutiny, at a critical juncture, or a first modern successful attack on it done by Iran.

On balance, I think it’s more likely to be caused by sabotage by the crew.

It makes no sense to continue to lie about the carrier being hit if that’s what happened, as that’s not something you can cover up in the long term, so when the truth inevitably comes out, the cover up is going to look worse than the original event. Once the ship pulls up in Crete or any other dock, a hit by weapons would be obvious for all to see.

The odds of a missile or drone strike against a carrier not resulting in any casualties amongst the crew also seems like a very low probability event. Especially since at that distance, it’s almost certainly going to be a ballistic missile or proper AShM and not some FPV with minimal warhead.

Otoh, a fire originated in a non-critical part of the ship (so no guards, access controls or permanent personnel presence), that just so happens to take out hundreds of berths forcing the ship to return to port seems like exactly the kind of Hail Mary play a disgruntled crew desperate to go home would think to do. So the spread of the fire would likely be deliberately engineered, possibly with accelerants, maybe also with targeted sabotage of key fire fighting and damage control equipment in the vicinity to frustrate initial response, or wilfully incompetent performance from damage control parties, or maybe a combination of some or all of the above. This seems like the far more likely cause.

Although with the track record of Trump blatantly trying to gaslight everyone thus far, I would not be surprised if the Ford does pull in with 600 bedsheets stitched together to cover a large section of the ship.

 

[CMP]

On balance, I think it’s more likely to be caused by sabotage by the crew.

It makes no sense to continue to lie about the carrier being hit if that’s what happened, as that’s not something you can cover up in the long term, so when the truth inevitably comes out, the cover up is going to look worse than the original event. Once the ship pulls up in Crete or any other dock, a hit by weapons would be obvious for all to see.

The odds of a missile or drone strike against a carrier not resulting in any casualties amongst the crew also seems like a very low probability event. Especially since at that distance, it’s almost certainly going to be a ballistic missile or proper AShM and not some FPV with minimal warhead.

Otoh, a fire originated in a non-critical part of the ship (so no guards, access controls or permanent personnel presence), that just so happens to take out hundreds of berths forcing the ship to return to port seems like exactly the kind of Hail Mary play a disgruntled crew desperate to go home would think to do. So the spread of the fire would likely be deliberately engineered, possibly with accelerants, maybe also with targeted sabotage of key fire fighting and damage control equipment in the vicinity to frustrate initial response, or wilfully incompetent performance from damage control parties, or maybe a combination of some or all of the above. This seems like the far more likely cause.

Although with the track record of Trump blatantly trying to gaslight everyone thus far, I would not be surprised if the Ford does pull in with 600 bedsheets stitched together to cover a large section of the ship.

Crew morale is important. The navy has really let it go.

 

[Leningradpro]

On balance, I think it’s more likely to be caused by sabotage by the crew.

It makes no sense to continue to lie about the carrier being hit if that’s what happened, as that’s not something you can cover up in the long term, so when the truth inevitably comes out, the cover up is going to look worse than the original event. Once the ship pulls up in Crete or any other dock, a hit by weapons would be obvious for all to see.

The odds of a missile or drone strike against a carrier not resulting in any casualties amongst the crew also seems like a very low probability event. Especially since at that distance, it’s almost certainly going to be a ballistic missile or proper AShM and not some FPV with minimal warhead.

Otoh, a fire originated in a non-critical part of the ship (so no guards, access controls or permanent personnel presence), that just so happens to take out hundreds of berths forcing the ship to return to port seems like exactly the kind of Hail Mary play a disgruntled crew desperate to go home would think to do. So the spread of the fire would likely be deliberately engineered, possibly with accelerants, maybe also with targeted sabotage of key fire fighting and damage control equipment in the vicinity to frustrate initial response, or wilfully incompetent performance from damage control parties, or maybe a combination of some or all of the above. This seems like the far more likely cause.

Although with the track record of Trump blatantly trying to gaslight everyone thus far, I would not be surprised if the Ford does pull in with 600 bedsheets stitched together to cover a large section of the ship.

Will it be a Battleship Potemkin moment for America then?

 

[TK3600]

On balance, I think it’s more likely to be caused by sabotage by the crew.

It makes no sense to continue to lie about the carrier being hit if that’s what happened, as that’s not something you can cover up in the long term, so when the truth inevitably comes out, the cover up is going to look worse than the original event. Once the ship pulls up in Crete or any other dock, a hit by weapons would be obvious for all to see.

The odds of a missile or drone strike against a carrier not resulting in any casualties amongst the crew also seems like a very low probability event. Especially since at that distance, it’s almost certainly going to be a ballistic missile or proper AShM and not some FPV with minimal warhead.

Otoh, a fire originated in a non-critical part of the ship (so no guards, access controls or permanent personnel presence), that just so happens to take out hundreds of berths forcing the ship to return to port seems like exactly the kind of Hail Mary play a disgruntled crew desperate to go home would think to do. So the spread of the fire would likely be deliberately engineered, possibly with accelerants, maybe also with targeted sabotage of key fire fighting and damage control equipment in the vicinity to frustrate initial response, or wilfully incompetent performance from damage control parties, or maybe a combination of some or all of the above. This seems like the far more likely cause.

Although with the track record of Trump blatantly trying to gaslight everyone thus far, I would not be surprised if the Ford does pull in with 600 bedsheets stitched together to cover a large section of the ship.

Clearly learned from the toilet clog tactic by other carrier.