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2026 Israel - Iranian conflict [TEMP LOCKED]
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They really expect to put dozens of enemy personnel in an already cramped sub where sailors need to share beds with no room to spare...
Geneva Convention (II) 1949
Article 18 - Search for casualties after an engagement
After each engagement, Parties to the conflict shall, without delay, take all possible measures to search for and collect the shipwrecked, wounded and sick, to protect them against pillage and ill-treatment, to ensure their adequate care, and to search for the dead and prevent their being despoiled.
Whenever circumstances permit, the Parties to the conflict shall conclude local arrangements for the removal of the wounded and sick by sea from a besieged or encircled area and for the passage of medical and religious personnel and equipment on their way to that area.
1982 UNCLOS
Article 98 Duty to render assistance
Para 1. Every State shall require the master of a ship flying its flag, in so far as he can do so without serious danger to the ship, the crew or the passengers:
(a) to render assistance to any person found at sea in danger of being lost;
(...)
Lethality of current commander in chief is his own problem; conduct of US skipper - supported by DoW, - does constitute a breach of (1)law of the sea, (2)International Humanitarian Law obligations, and Law of war at sea.
US is signed under 1st document, and while UNCLOS isn't ratified by US, they, quote "treat it as a source of common law".
Remarks:
-shall in legal writing is a binding verb, used when necessary action is higher than "must";
-without delay - means, as soon as engagement is finished. Since "each" is used before it, possibility of other standing orders is not excuse of breach of basic humanitarian requirements, unless engagement continues.
-all possible, unlike "reasonable", specify urgency of full rerscue action. This is specified duty, not choice.
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And?. They were in international waters and nothing would prevent them from droping the survivors in any nearby port and the slipping out again.
They were far out of the war zone in an area surrounded by friendly countries that can't be reached in any way by the Iranians. At the end of the day, it isn't any less of a war crime.
Would they?. Considering the way the Russians conduct the war in Ukraine, I don't see them doing that. Would the PLAN do it?. Doubt it.
This level of callousness and disregard seems mostly anglo-european in nature
Submarines were still secretive when it didn't seem to be much of an issue to rescue people from damaged or sinking ships
I guess expecting basic human decency is being naive.
God forbid you make US sailors uncomfortable for the extremely long ride of * checks notes *...76km or 2 hours ride to Sri Lanka
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It's not 1949 anymore.
Surfacing in non-territorial or non-allied waters puts every nuclear submarine at potential risk. The entire gimmick of a nuclear submarine is remaining submerged for weeks upon weeks upon weeks. Exposing yourself without reason, especially near waters of other nations, is not to be advised.
Again, naivety is not a virtue and virtue has little place in warfare.
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In WW2, German U-boats did frequently surface to rescue crew from sinking/sunk vessels initially. However, I believe there was some sort of incident where the Brits attacked or sank a U-boat that was in the process of rescuing Royal Navy seamen, and henceforth the Kriegsmarine barred U-boat captains from rescuing enemy sailors. The German honorable war of fighting wasn't suited for fighting barbaric savages like the Brits, whom are the masters of fighting dirty. AFAIK there has never been an instance of a USN sub rescuing IJN sailors after an attack.
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Let me tell you how Parmy:
Trump called Pete at 12:00AM
Pete drunk as f*ck: Our savior Mr President. Is an honor to hear your voice.
Trump: PETE, BIBI IS THREATENING ME AGAIN WITH MORE EPSTEIN FILES, PETE HE HAVE ME BY THE COJONES PETE, GIVE ME WAR PLAN PETE, THESE GENERALS KEEP TELLING THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE, THAT THERE IS NOT END GOAL, THEIR MISSILES, I NEED A WAR PLAN PETE TOMORROW.
Pete still wasted as f*ck: YES YOUR HIGHNESS.
Then Pete took ALL the faulty Israeli intelligence that CIA warned him about it and RAG it, cranked up the context window to the max, temperature to max and as Pete was passing out drunk in his desk Claude started to hallucinate like crazy and when he wake up the next morning with a hangover...there it was... a shiny PDF in his desktop named "TRUMP MASTERPLAN TO CONQUER IRAN.pdf"
Then Pete showed his "masterplan" to the generals and of course when they saw the stupidity at first they laughed thinking was a joke but then they got serious when they found it was not a joke and it was the plan. The begged Pete to stop, that war planning is serious endeavor that take months, but he responded: YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE ERA OF AI AND YOU ARE ALL OLD AND IRRELEVANT now get out of my way our God appointed savior President Trump deserve the best plan ever.
This is not how law works. This is word under US signature.
It's risk against highest form of obligation only insofar commander knew at the time of action that there are additional enemy forces in immediate proximity.
I mean, excuse me for personal remark, but german excluding war crimes is a bit cringe.
This isn't naivety, this is unnecessary cruelity and breach of own word.
Submarine is a ship in UNCLOS sense, and its crew are combatants in IHL sense.
Please re-read what you wrote and ask yourself why this is not an option.
You believe in a hot war Russian or Chinese submarines would rescue American sailors? Lmao
Submarines were sensitive, yes. But do I have to explain to you why a nuclear powered submarine is not comparable to a WW2 diesel boat with regards to technological sensitivity?
Was the USN at war with the Philippines? Sinking their armed vessel during a covert deployment near foreign waters?
Is it basic human decency to shoot each other in the face and bomb each others homes? No. Expecting human decency in war is terribly naive. There are cases of people acting virtuos in war, but you should never expect it and it's not the usual occurence.
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