2026 Israel - Iranian conflict [TEMP LOCKED]

Will Iran-Israel conflict start again?


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Phead128

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Ukraine war has officially entered its 4th year....a country can endure 4 years of drone and missile strikes. This shows you how airstrikes and missile strikes cannot win wars alone against a decent size country. I don't really understand, is the ultimate end game is troops on the ground for regime change? Otherwise this is just pointless to just bomb each other every 8 months or so.
 

SlothmanAllen

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One thing I will add about potential munition shortages on the US side, is that with Iranian air defense seemingly destroyed US offensive operations can switch to JDAM use. With that in mind, the US virtually has virtually unlimited strike capacity as the stockpile of JDAM weapons is massive.

The real bottleneck of importance is PAC-3 MSE, PAC-2 GEM-T, THAAD Interceptor production and repair or replacement of any damaged radar components/units. I don't know if anything can be done to surge PAC and THAAD missile production short term.

Maybe if that is the sole focus a boost in production can be attained ahead of the already scheduled production increases? Regardless, that will not happen overnight and I imagine the best for a meaningful production output increase case would be months out.

I don't know what the current inventory of AN/MPQ-65/65A radars are or how quickly they can be deployed. I suspect anything AN/TPY-2 related would take too long to bring into production to make that discussion pointless at this stage.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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I don't think there are any chances for major war in the Middle East to be avoided now, unless vast amounts of concessions are given to Iran (lifting of all sanctions and paying Iran for all the damages done and the removal of all US bases in the region and helping Palestinians). There is no doubt in the average Iranian's mind that US and Israel are trying to genocide them.

The Israel and Gulf Arabs wanted Iran destroyed because they know how powerful Iran is and it's the perfect chance to destroy Iran now because Israel international image is already destroyed beyond repair. Iran wasn't as weak as they hoped though and internal cohesion is very high because of rally around the flag effect especially considering how many civilian infrastructures is hit. The Saudis stupidly thought Pakistan will defend them just because they had a pact, Pakistan isn't stupid though so that's not happening. Iran must be fed up with the gulf's betrayal; they gave Syria to a Sunni extremist US supported government without any fight because they wanted peace.

Iran has the advantage of being able to freely trade with Russia from the Caspian Sea while the rest of the Gulf states don't have such an easy way of doing trade. Russia would also provide FPVs and tactics which would give Iran the upper hand in ground warfare even if US had troops on ground and air superiority. US soldiers are also weak willed and scared of death.

I do not see any winning paths for US, Gulf Arabs and Israelis in this war. What are y'all thoughts?
There are no winning paths, and in fact, at this exact point, they're losing the perception battle.

US Cold War and post Cold War era deterrence was based on 5 assumptions:

1. Fighting the US head to head has immense costs.
2. US allies will always jump in militarily (NATO).
3. US will escalate to protect its allies.
4. US diplomacy is credible.
5. US power is constrained by willpower, not capability. Its capability is implied to be infinite, its willpower is not.

The overall message: Don't challenge the US in any way. All you have to do is appease the US, otherwise it will unleash its infinite capability. But if you do appease the US, it will pay off richly.

Iran has proven all 5 assumptions false.

1. Fighting the US: damage is actually manageable. Iran suffered 1k+ strikes. So what? As % of population, losses are negligible. Its economy can't get any worse. A few leaders died, yes, but its ground army is intact, meaning the government as a whole is safe. Now cafes are being bombed while the Iranian army hasn't lost even a single tank. Remember how Iraq lost thousands of armored vehicles? In fact it is doing better than even Russia.

2. US allies: Iran struck US bases in GCC countries yet GCC has not attacked Iran, only defended itself. Even if they wanted to, what are they gonna do that US and Israel aren't already doing? All downside, no upside.

3. US escalation: they aren't escalating proportionally to their allies being hit. Iran kept expanding the scope of the war. Did US increase sortie rate? Steam carriers in? Immediate US boots on the ground?

4. US diplomatic credibility: They attacked during negotiations. That's all I need to say.

5. US constrained by capability: They're losing early warning radars, had multiple fixed wing losses, can't force a regime change, can't reopen the straits of Hormuz and can't achieve air supremacy, only air superiority, over Iran, a country with a 1980's air force. At the same time, they've engaged in escalatory rhetoric, showing that their willpower is increasing, but their capability is not matching.

What message do you think this sends?
One thing I will add about potential munition shortages on the US side, is that with Iranian air defense seemingly destroyed, their offensive operations can switch to JDAM use. With that in mind, the US virtually has virtually unlimited strike capacity as the stockpile of JDAM weapons is massive.
If they could deliver JDAMs, they would. Are they?
 

another505

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Theres also a limit of how long gerald ford can do this being in its second extension.

More aircraft will fall to the sea, maintenance fall behind due to fatigue, blue and blue can happen again. Shit might hit the fan literally

Iirc, besides gerald ford, the only other ready cvn will be the 7th fleet in japan. I dont think they want to send in their america class LHA yet with f35b short range
 

SlothmanAllen

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If they could deliver JDAMs, they would. Are they?
Yes, I believe CENTCOM has posted pictures of JDAMS being loaded on carrier flight decks.


However, one picture is by no means definitive but I have seen others out there with many JDAMS on the flight deck. I think it is something that is important to keep in mind when attempting to asses US strike capabilities.
 

Anlsvrthng

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Iran doesn't need to hit 100% of the incoming bombers, enought if hit 5% of them.

that means each plane can carry 140 tons of bombs before hit.

So, if USa willing to sacrifice 1000 bomber then they can deliver 140k ton of bombs. That can give nice results.

For 100 billion USD worth of aircraft + 1000 pilot training cost.

Unless, of course if the Russians doesn't give few spare BUK.

Then the cost go up .
 
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Minm

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Yes, I believe CENTCOM has posted pictures of JDAMS being loaded on carrier flight decks.


However, one picture is by no means definitive but I have seen others out there with many JDAMS on the flight deck. I think it is something that is important to keep in mind when attempting to asses US strike capabilities.
If they're bombing border towns in Kurdistan or coastal towns along the Persian gulf, there's no issues with jdams
 
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