2026 Israel - Iranian conflict [TEMP LOCKED]

Will Iran-Israel conflict start again?


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manqiangrexue

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"When your enemy is led by an 86 year old man who spends his time thinking about flowers or women and prevents his own army from acquiring weapons, do not assassinate him."

For real, if Iran can keep this savagery up, I'm going to start saying you've met me at a very Iranian time in my life.
Hopefully, those THAADs dont return back to Korea.
Judging by the quality of other American interceptors, I doubt it matters... like at all.
 

tankphobia

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"Their entire prosperity" should be replaced by "Their royalty's prosperity", you think their average citizens benefit from all that oil money when their princes are buying Ferrari's like they're collecting toys?. They're a modern day feudal society with indentured servants lol, if there is any country in the world that truly and objectively deserves a regime change it's those Gulf monarchies
I wouldn't consider Citizens living in some of the most generous welfare states in the world struggling. The indentured servants from India are not the ones protesting.
 

zyklon

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It makes one think if, when things go "well enough" (depending on your personal POV), if there may be a chance to see the corrupt ruling families in at least some Gulf states maybe getting the Pahlavi treatment.

Some — or even most — of the royal houses ruling Arab sheikhdoms can be characterized as complicated, problematic or even outright bad (depending on your perspective and the ruling clan in question), but the potential non-royal alternatives may turn out far worse.

To explain why I think that's on the table, we have to consider that there's a rather big divide between the general population and the ruling class when it comes to their opinion on the US, Israel and the wider middle east. When we also factor in that the US could be too distracted to continue propping up these corrupt leaders, and the population smelling the opportunity for change, feeling completely abandoned and betrayed (perhaps having put up with being cozy with US and IL due to protection, which has evidently not aligned with reality).

Grassroots regime change is rare, especially without savage economic turmoil as a catalyst.

What's more likely is that some enterprising prince is going to recognize popular discontent as an opportunity to coup his cousin, brother, uncle or father.

Then all there's left is for the Police and parts of the military to flip and maybe being eager to take a shot at establishing a new government.

Just something that crossed my mind, as some of these Gulf states seem only held together with oil, dollars and american troops.

The militaries and security forces of Arab sheikhdoms are often difficult to flip by design.

Forces like the Saudi Arabian National Guard and the Jordanian Royal Guard typically recruit on the basis of tribal loyalties, while certain other enterprises hire thousands of foreign mercenaries who are disinterested in local politics and grievances.



You talk as though the only way to determine American capability is what they say.
The entire Iranian army has nothing to do right now.
Sending in special forces just means they get wiped out, or worse paraded before getting hanged
You don't need Trump to say anything to know that's not an option.

Highly unlikely the US will conduct SOF raids inside Iran without the neutralization of Iranian air defenses (minus MANPADS) in the general vicinity of the objective, and the allocation of significant quantities of CAS and ISR assets overhead.

In other words, any Artesh or IRGC ground troops approaching a JSOC strike force will get shredded and bombed before they're even close enough to make contact with direct fire (unless they're waiting inside a UGF to execute an ambush, or possibly if US forces are restrained by ROE due to the need to capture or extract someone alive).

Regardless, even if the Iranians manage to smoke an entire Ranger company, they'll pay for it with casualties that will be at least a full order of magnitude greater.

I get this forum tends to be rather sympathetic to Iran, and it's understandable given who their principal enemy is. However, the Iranians are functionally overmatched by the US military in almost every possible kinetic scenario, with the primary exception being a prolonged COIN campaign.
 

HereToSeePics

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Start a new thread under the Members' Club Room. This thread is about the Israeli-Iranian war.

Hence the guidance against any non news mentioning of China. The moment it was broken, almost 2 pages of off topic China commentary was added in an hour which subsequently devolved into Buddhism, US MIC, western individualism, South Korean superiority, etc.

I’m actually thinking of leaving those posts up as a prime example as to why there shouldn’t be any non news mentioning of China in this thread.
 

enroger

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I wouldn't consider Citizens living in some of the most generous welfare states in the world struggling. The indentured servants from India are not the ones protesting.

And yet their kings and princes are in constant fear of popular uprising, have you wondered why? Why is it that every hit video we see the local cheering for the Iranian munitions? Maybe there is some inconsistency in that western propaganda you've been believing don't you think?
 

xsub1223342

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Now that the Strait of Hormuz is closed, I knew that oil would stop being exported and ships would stop entering and leaving the strait.... but I didnt account for the fact that the Gulf states also import a lot of food though the strait apparently?
Does anyone else have more knowledgeable information on how much the gulf states import food? Because I am just realizing this but if they have no oil money and possibly no food... this does not look good at all for the monarchies at all.
 

tankphobia

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And yet their kings and princes are in constant fear of popular uprising, have you wondered why? Why is it that every hit video we see the local cheering for the Iranian munitions? Maybe there is some inconsistency in that western propaganda you've been believing don't you think?
You can act stupidly without ever struggling. See Jai Hind, SCS, Taiwan...

I don't know what part of gulf state being ran as generous welfare states underpinned by imported slave labour is controversial or "western propaganda".
 

Serb

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Now that the Strait of Hormuz is closed, I knew that oil would stop being exported and ships would stop entering and leaving the strait.... but I didnt account for the fact that the Gulf states also import a lot of food though the strait apparently?
Does anyone else have more knowledgeable information on how much the gulf states import food? Because I am just realizing this but if they have no oil money and possibly no food... this does not look good at all for the monarchies at all.

I posted this earlier already:
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The even bigger problem, however, are the desalination plants.

Various Gulf countries are totally dependent on drinking water from them, ranging from 50-100%.

This is why Iran attacking with impunity and the US being unable to protect even their own bases there is such a big deal.

This means that, for example, Iran could theoretically target those same plants in the future and destroy them with barely any effort or obstacle.

Hence, from now on, it's a totally different security and geopol architecture in the Middle East, which almost no one talks about yet.

It's good if the US maintains the petrodollar system after everything is over.

But these countries will definitely have to change their entire approach toward Iran if it survives and remains functional.
 
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