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Concerns about China eroding the ‘missile gap’ with the West

Guys, you're firmly behind VKS now (as war in Ukraine has rather clearly show, R-37M handily suppresses AIM-120C-8). That's without R-77M, which is, unlike AIM-260, combat deployed.

With China, it isn't China eroding missile gap with the West, China is very firmly ahead in whole domain, across its enture core fleet, with full war stocks of relevant missiles. It's the west in a desperate ketchup to erode a >10 yr capability gap.
Even best and brightest(AIM-120D-3. MBDA Meteor) don't quite make it, and some of the most desperate (USN) went for ad-hoc solutions. And the new bright kid(AIM-260) not only still hasn't even started deployment, it'll take years to amass stocks, update fighters, train pilots and get the whole system operational.

Internally J-36 yes, J-50 probably not. But by the two those are ready for LRIP then newer missiles will be ready.

IMHO J-36 bay is designed around this very weapon, primarily.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Guys, you're firmly behind VKS now (as war in Ukraine has rather clearly show, R-37M handily suppresses AIM-120C-8). That's without R-77M, which is, unlike AIM-260, combat deployed.

With China, it isn't China eroding missile gap with the West, China is very firmly ahead in whole domain, across its enture core fleet, with full war stocks of relevant missiles. It's the west in a desperate ketchup to erode a >10 yr capability gap.
Even best and brightest(AIM-120D-3. MBDA Meteor) don't quite make it, and some of the most desperate (USN) went for ad-hoc solutions. And the new bright kid(AIM-260) not only still hasn't even started deployment, it'll take years to amass stocks, update fighters, train pilots and get the whole system operational.

IMHO J-36 bay is designed around this very weapon, primarily.

If they don’t inject some winology in their articles then the chauvinists who fantasize about bombing Three Gorges Dam will stop reading them.

 

[Squadson]

Folded fin PL-15E is shown at Zhuhai Airshow in 2024. PL-16 is a completely different missile with fewer control surfaces and slimmer fuselage.

So the range will remain the same? Does PL-21 really exist or is it just a rumor?

 

[siegecrossbow]

So the range will remain the same? Does PL-21 really exist or is it just a rumor?

Why do you think the range will remain the same after a decade of improvement in software, propellant, aerodynamics which include reduction of girth and control surfaces and what does PL-21 have to do with anything? If you are asking about the air breathing long range missile then no, China will not be making one.

 

[bsdnf]

Why do you think the range will remain the same after a decade of improvement in software, propellant, aerodynamics which include reduction of girth and control surfaces and what does PL-21 have to do with anything? If you are asking about the air breathing long range missile then no, China will not be making one.

I don't think air breathing is necessarily a bad idea. As far as I know, military research institutions have been studying related technologies for decades. If the PLAAF truly needs ultra-long-range AAM and guidance conditions permit (such as the satellite early warning networks we've seen before), such technology could be implemented.

 

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Concerns about China eroding the ‘missile gap’ with the West

Very common word for western military jargon is that theres always a invisible gap that is being closed, like they would say theres a ballistic missile gap for the US and China, a tofu gap between them, a gap gap between them! Like can they use any other word than "closing the gap" its been used since the soviets.

 

[bsdnf]

High-performance UAVs guide 500 kilometer range long-range air-to-air missiles, calculate and predict enemy aircraft flight trajectories, and divide the predicted hit zone convex hull into missile-coordinated attack sub-regions to cover the enemy aircraft terminal envelope.

Simple launch-guide-relaunch is outdated; enemy needs to face a missile swarm/kill cloud.

Or, to use a more old-fashioned example as analogie, PzH-2000 was often marketed for its ability to achieve simultaneous impact of three shells through ballistic trajectory planning.

Now, it's about three long-range missiles, can hit the same point simultaneously, or in wave, or spread out to cover the area where enemy aircraft may maneuver, to ensure at least one hits.

 

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High-performance UAVs guide 500 kilometer range long-range air-to-air missiles, calculate and predict enemy aircraft flight trajectories, and divide the predicted hit zone convex hull into missile-coordinated attack sub-regions to cover the enemy aircraft envelope.

Simple launch-guide-relaunchis outdated; enemy needs to face a swarm of missiles.
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You perhaps got the 2nd image in a higher res?

 

[latenlazy]

High-performance UAVs guide 500 kilometer range long-range air-to-air missiles, calculate and predict enemy aircraft flight trajectories, and divide the predicted hit zone convex hull into missile-coordinated attack sub-regions to cover the enemy aircraft envelope.

Simple launch-guide-relaunchis outdated; enemy needs to face a swarm of missiles.
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What if one missile designed with a warhead that can spread across the whole probable hit zone.

 

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What if one missile designed with a warhead that can spread across the whole probable hit zone.

It's in km, to cover that you would need nukes