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bebops

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French engines are not even as good as the F414 in reality. See how bad the M88 on rafales are.
I don't think it is the M88.

"India is collaborating with France's
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to develop a 120 kN (kilonewton) high-thrust jet engine for its fifth-generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) and Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF)."
 

Nx4eu

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I don't think it is the M88.

"India is collaborating with France's
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to develop a 120 kN (kilonewton) high-thrust jet engine for its fifth-generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) and Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF)."
Basically they want to co-develop a WS-19 equivalent engine with France for AMCA.
 

Deino

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MoD Anticipates Finalizing HAL-GE F414 Engine Deal by March 2026, 80% Tech Transfer Non-Negotiable​


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And once again, India proves it is completely unaware of its position: "80% Tech Transfer Non-Negotiable." In the worst-case scenario, GE or the US government—especially given Uncle Don's increasingly irrational and unpredictable policies—will simply say, "Screw you!" So be it!

And then... then Tejas Mk. 2 is dead, AMCA is dead, TEDBF is dead too...
 

mossen

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I don't think it is the M88.

"India is collaborating with France's
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to develop a 120 kN (kilonewton) high-thrust jet engine for its fifth-generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) and Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF)."
This is the billion dollar question.

We know that SAFRAN has already been toying with prototypes of a boosted m88 engine. France has not done a clean-slate engine design for fighter jets for many years now. The French arrogance destroyed the FCAS project they had with the Germans. The French have very high opinions of themselves.

Somehow Indians think they will be given better treatment than Germans, who are after all France's most consequential ally. I think the most likely outcome is a boosted m88 with minimal tech transfer.

I don't think SAFRAN has the in-house capability for a clean slate 120 kN engine, and especially not in the timeframe we're discussing here. It's just a fantasy. The Indians are in for a rude awakening.
 
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