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Gloire_bb

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I have my doubts about the competency of the companies involved. But at this point, does India have any choice? HAL was given a privileged position ever since independence -- 80 years almost. What has it done with it? Scarcely little.
Main problem why HAL is so I'll is it was forced head on into incredibly ambitious Tejas project. It was a by default impossible task, and as anything by default impossible it made organization adapt to impossible requests.
But for better or worse, it at least did produce a fighter aircraft, from first pencil drafts to production of serviceable fighters.

Now India does exact same mistake, once over again. They're again giving impossible task to a fresh organization, which never even designed, much less fielded a complete aircraft.

Doesn't take MBA to predict results.
 
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Randomuser

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India is better off at this point seeking a foreign partner for aircraft development. Somebody with more experience. Indonesia, Brazil, heck even Serbia. This can be a crucial stepping stone for a future indigenous aircraft that is actually doable alone.
Wasn't that the story of the SU 57? Didn't exactly turn out well.
 

_killuminati_

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Wasn't that the story of the SU 57? Didn't exactly turn out well.
Somebody less experienced. Russia doesn't need India. Indians have nothing really to contribute except for money. But with a less experienced manufacturer, like Indonesian Aerospace or Brazil's Embraer, they could co-contribute to design and development. There is no incentive for Russia to share any core techs with India.
 

Lethe

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There is nothing wrong with diversifying away from over-reliance upon HAL. India should be able to sustain multiple players going forward. But this idea that in diversifying away from HAL one has therefore solved The Problem is rather optimistic. LCA was ADA's baby as an organisation invented from whole cloth for that project, dispensing with the then real-world experience of HAL. Now HAL is out of the picture for AMCA, while ADA remains. Surely, a glorious future awaits.
 
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Gloire_bb

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There is nothing wrong with diversifying away from over-reliance upon HAL. India should be able to sustain multiple players going forward. But this idea that in diversifying away from HAL one has therefore solved The Problem is rather optimistic. LCA was ADA's baby as an organisation invented from whole cloth for that project, dispensing with the then real-world experience of HAL. Now HAL is out of the picture for AMCA, while ADA remains. Surely, a glorious future awaits.
That's the problem. India seems to have some beef with keeping experience they painstakingly got.
Now they'll be once again getting organizational experience of how Kerbal space program differs from an actual one. From scratch.
 

Faisal Iqbal

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Negotiations surrounding the €300 million SCALP procurement—equivalent to approximately USD 356 million or RM1.68 billion—have reached an advanced stage, with Indian defence planners viewing the package as an urgent replenishment mechanism designed to restore standoff-strike depth following inventory drawdowns during Operation Sindoor.


The proposed acquisition of between 100 and 150 SCALP cruise missiles is structured to expand India’s existing stockpile originally procured alongside the first batch of 36 Rafale fighters, ensuring that operational availability aligns with evolving contingency planning rather than peacetime consumption assumptions.

Indian Air Force integration plans are explicitly Rafale-centric, reflecting the platform’s role as India’s premier deep-strike aircraft, with force-structure projections indicating that the Rafale fleet could grow to approximately 200 aircraft over the next decade.
 
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