JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

zyklon

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00CuriousObserver said:
The person worth paying attention to isn’t the channel owner, but 约克, who made the claim.

约克 works within China’s MIC and has access to some inside information. However, there’s a fundamental difference between the two podcasts. Guancha is a news outlet, and the guys are professional reporters. In contrast, the other podcast is more of a personal show with some enthusiasts. It’s more like friends chatting about military stuff over a beer after work. Naturally, the standards and credibility between the two are very different.
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00CuriousObserver said:
I think he certainly does have info, but we should be cautious when evaluating what he says. We don’t know how many hands the info has passed through, or the specific context under which those statements were made from his sources .

Moreover, recently he's made a lot more of the specific remarks that we look for:
  • China’s aircraft carriers have already been planned up to the sixth ship
  • GJ-11 exported to the UAE
  • The “Water Molecule” designation is gone now
  • J-16 is no longer in production, only J-16Ds
  • He was also the one who claimed that the yearly production of Y-20 is now ~50 (I vaguely remember him saying something like this, but I can't find the exact quote)
I don’t think his credibility (more so because he hasn't been as proven as the others) is strong enough to fully support all these claims yet. Still, they’re worth keeping an eye on. Rather than taking everything wholly, we should treat them as shifts in our expectations. For example, instead of assuming J-16 production has ended, the rate might be even lower than we expected. The J-10CE sales might not be in the three digits but higher than we previously thought. And even if only of these rumours is confirmed, the information still has value, particularly if it carriers greater weight like a GJ-11 UAE export.
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podcast, York (约克) claimed that the JF-17 is now powered by the WS-13E turbofan.

Please do correct me if I misheard him: my Chinese ain't the best. Plus I had been progressing from cava to brunello to single malt to tequila since dinner. :D

I have been under the impression — per our Pakistani friends — that current production JF-17 Block 3 airframes continue to be powered by Russian made RD-93 turbofans.

So on one hand 约克's claim sounds plausible given the ongoing priorities of the Russian MIC, on the other hand there doesn't seem to be much evidence — to the best of my knowledge — collaborating said claim.

Anyone got any thoughts on this one? :)
 
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zyklon said:
In the
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of the
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podcast, York (约克) claimed that the JF-17 is now powered by the WS-13E turbofan.

Please do correct me if I misheard him: my Chinese ain't the best. Plus I had been progressing from cava to brunello to single malt to tequila since dinner. :D

I have been under the impression — per our Pakistani friends — that current production JF-17 Block 3 airframes continue to be powered by Russian made RD-93 turbofans.

So on one hand 约克's claim sounds plausible given the ongoing priorities of the Russian MIC, on the other hand there doesn't seem to be much evidence — to the best of my knowledge — collaborating said claim.

Anyone got any thoughts on this one? :)
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Could you please mark the relevant timestamp? since I thought it is only on the 054B?
 
00CuriousObserver

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zyklon said:
In the
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of the
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podcast, York (约克) claimed that the JF-17 is now powered by the WS-13E turbofan.

Please do correct me if I misheard him: my Chinese ain't the best. Plus I had been progressing from cava to brunello to single malt to tequila since dinner. :D

I have been under the impression — per our Pakistani friends — that current production JF-17 Block 3 airframes continue to be powered by Russian made RD-93 turbofans.

So on one hand 约克's claim sounds plausible given the ongoing priorities of the Russian MIC, on the other hand there doesn't seem to be much evidence — to the best of my knowledge — collaborating said claim.

Anyone got any thoughts on this one? :)
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No particular thoughts. It's not as out there as some of the other stuff he's said. Just the previous disclaimers apply.
 
zyklon

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Deino said:
Could you please mark the relevant timestamp? since I thought it is only on the 054B?
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Sorry @Deino, I listened to the podcast live. Don't have access to the members only archived copy of the
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on YouTube. :(

However, IIRC, the claim in question — regarding the JF-17's adoption of the WS-13E turbofan — was made during the second segment of the episode on JF-17 exports, which immediately followed the first segment of the episode concerning the Type 054B frigate and future PLAN developments.
 
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zyklon said:
Sorry @Deino, I listened to the podcast live. Don't have access to the members only archived copy of the
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on YouTube. :(

However, IIRC, the claim in question — regarding the JF-17's adoption of the WS-13E turbofan — was made during the second segment of the episode on JF-17 exports, which immediately followed the first segment of the episode concerning the Type 054B frigate and future PLAN developments.
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Considering no JF-17 has actually been seen with WS-13, his claim is probably false. Also, like triple digit J-10CE and two batches of GJ-21 already sold seems outlandish and rather fishy as well.

No one in the domestic community really references them as well which is also somewhat of a red flag IMO.
 
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