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generalmeng

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TPenglake said:
People who keep fantasizing that China should do this and that in terms of hard power geopolitics forget that it took decades for the US to build up its global military strike and logistic capabilities, not to mention the sheer luck that it was largely untouched by WW2 outside of Pearl Harbor. In comparison, China only debuted its first truly modern aircraft last year, its naivety to think they can develop the same capacity for adventuring as the US in a matter of months.

Also, compared to the Soviet Union that supported governments and armed groups all over the world, at least those entities were motivated by socialism and willing to put up a struggle. In our post-Cold War world, most of the global south is still rife with corruption and weak feelings of nationhood, thus creating a small elite class and largely apathetic populations that are only really out for themselves and thus unwilling to resist. Which therefore means any money or weapons China throws at them, might as well be thrown in a blackhole, the only exception here seems to be Pakistan.

So what if people are mocking China's inaction as an example of how it isn't a superpower? When did China ever posit itself as one? The US is the only one that's still wrapped up in the idea of a global ideaological struggle. China is playing the only game that matters, which is boosting the quality of life and technological progress of the Chinese nation. Less we forget, that was how the last Cold War was decided. The US and Soviet Union made endless chess moves against eachother, but one country was a land of plenty and oppurtunity, and the other had its citizens line up at 5 in the morning for something as basic as bread. That's a historical fact, as such I would argue the recent big development in the Sino-US Cold War isn't Maduro's kidnapping, but rather the "kill line" going viral on Chinese social media. America can pull of these impressive military operations, all the while its roads are falling apart and people are one missed payment away from homelessness.

Plus, might makes right, but just because doing something is right doesn't make it smart. The US has Maduro, but now what? All this stuff about how they're going to administer Venezuela, which will require boots on the ground and also other actions in Latin America, they'll be busy for years to come remaking their own backyard in their own image.

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In that regard, since when has a distracted US ever been a bad thing for China?
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Took a lot out of usa to beat up a country that line up at 5am for bread.

Imagine now that bully have to deal with a real challenge
 
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pmc

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generalmeng said:
It is really clear, because either give up maduro, or eat sanction.

China want oil, russia want to control oil prices, usa want to make money.

Maduro's regime was build on ousting the previous ruling elites, so they can nationalize all the oil profits. This process created a new ruling elite. This new ruling elite isnt gonna be rich or elite, if they are sanctioned everyday. this is the neccessary step for venezula to develop, maduro need to be sack. they need to open up the country for investment. China cant invest in there, if USA is blockading the whole country. venezula is a mountain jungle, and they need ocean access. well guess what, they are not cuba, they actually have something of value to sell.

new ruling elite sold out maduro, collected the bounty, and the country is now open up for business. the loser is maduro (he is gonna get hang to make the venezula expat lobby happy) and the previous ruling elites (because they are never getting their money back).

There is nothing personal or emotional in this. This is just business as usual. Maduro should have anticipated this, and gone into hiding.
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OPEC+ has many millions barrel of spare capacity so how can small production of Venezuela make a difference. and i dont think Russia is in OPEC+ for oil price only and that price is irrelevant.
 
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GulfLander

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supercat said:
Definitely not North Korea, which is China's only treaty ally in the world.


https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2007691882890178631

Good question: can the Trump regime invades all the countries in South America that trade with China?
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2007630238931706073

China is not the one that is spreading such narrative for sure.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2007440618281136239
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2007529975696802264
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Its like 2 sides of antiCN narratives before... one is CN is collapsing, second is CN threat...
 
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tokenanalyst

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bebops said:
Right now I see this piece of news circulating on alot of places. Some people said it wasn't turn on, other said US had disabled it.

I believed it will fall into US hands with the way things are going.

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China just provided a radar to Venezuela, that radar has to be integrated to systems that are Russian with different hardware. Irrelevant at the end, from an asymmetrical perspective would have gone like Mogadishu with helicopters down by propelled grenades and US soldiers bodies dragged from motorbikes.
 
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tokenanalyst said:
I have never seem a person been disposed like a used condom faster than Machado:

Is incredible. There are prostitutes in poor countries treated with more dignity.
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Machado cross the cardinal sin that is Trump’s Ego.

She took his Noble Peace Prize and Trump has a serious fucking grudge about it.

There are other news articles that Maduro did the same thing by dancing, which apparently triggered Trump into invading Venezuela shortly after.

Two people close to the White House said the president’s lack of interest in boosting Machado, despite her recent efforts to flatter Trump, stemmed from her decision to accept the Nobel Peace Prize, an award the president has openly coveted.
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Although Machado ultimately said she was dedicating the award to Trump, her acceptance of the prize was an “ultimate sin,” said one of the people.
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“If she had turned it down and said, ‘I can’t accept it because it’s Donald Trump’s,’ she’d be the president of Venezuela today,” this person said.
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tokenanalyst

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Let suppose this was not a coup from the inner circle to get rid of Maduro. Caracas should have been an fortress of asymmetrical warfare packed with RPGs, MANPADs, Anti Tank weapons and small drones in every roof and corner, air power is great and all but regime change requires boots on the ground, you need armored vehicles, helicopters and tanks. Forget about the 3 or 4 BUK systems and the 20 Sukhoi fighter jets that they have because that won´t make a dent in the US, even if they use them properly, the only way that Venezuela could fight the US is asymmetrically and hope that the US suffer enough losses that they will pack and leave.

So if this was not setup to get rid of Maduro, then no matter how many weapons China and Russia deliver to them, Venezuelan and most Latin American militaries are too incompetent to fight real wars, symmetrically and asymmetrically, and are at the mercy of the US. China or Russia can give them nuclear weapons and will still fail in use them properly.
 
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FriedButter said:
Machado cross the cardinal sin that is Trump’s Ego.

She took his Noble Peace Prize and Trump has a serious fucking grudge about it.

There are other news articles that Maduro did the same thing by dancing, which apparently triggered Trump into invading Venezuela shortly after.




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I don think its that.

Its just Machado and opposition are extremely unpopular, to the point where Rubio is ruling out elections as "Pre-mature". They need more time for sanctions, maybe bring a fresh face and put some distance between this blatant attack by a foreign country.
 
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