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broadsword

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I think we missed this news. Zhao picked up a hefty £250,000 win for his victory.

Zhao sees off Robertson to clinch Riyadh title​

Zhao Xintong
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Zhao Xintong collected his first trophy since winning at the Crucible Theatre in May
BySteve Sutcliffe
BBC Sport journalist
World champion Zhao Xintong claimed a 5-2 victory over Neil Robertson to clinch the Riyadh Season Snooker Championship.
Zhao becomes the 11th different winner from 11 events on the professional circuit this season and collects £250,000 for his success in Saudi Arabia.

While the opening two frames were shared, Zhao then compiled superb breaks of 131 and 134 as he reeled off the next three to open a 4-1 lead.

And even though Robertson crafted a 91 to reduce his arrears, the 28-year-old from China sealed his win with a half-century in the seventh frame.

"I didn't want Neil to know I was nervous. I was looking forward to this final a lot because Neil is a very good player and someone I wanted to play. I am so happy now," Zhao said.

"It's been amazing this week. It's my first time in Saudi and I could see a lot of people were here for me."

It proved to be a comfortable conclusion to Friday for Zhao, who had earlier edged to a dramatic 4-3 win over world number one Judd Trump in the semi-finals.

In a see-saw contest Trump led 2-0 and 3-2 but Zhao, who registered the highest break of the week with a 138 against the Englishman, showed his resolve.

Meanwhile, Robertson, who has looked rejuvenated over the past 18 months, had been aiming to become the only player this season to win multiple titles after defeating Mark Allen 4-1.

"A few tired misses I suppose were quite costly [against Zhao]. I was well below the level I had shown in getting to the final and he punished me really well," Robertson said.

The Australian progressed past Allen following a wonderful 73 clearance in the fifth frame.

That was after the Northern Irishman had knocked in nine reds with blacks but broke down on 72 as he attempted to make a 147 - he could have then potted the unique
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So after all these years there is finally an asian male UFC champion. Its some dude from Myanmar who came to the US at 12. He won by basically letting his opponent break his own army early. He is now one of the youngest UFC champions.

Its a really hilarious way how after all these years, this is how an Asian Male becomes UFC champion for the first time. But now the curse is lifted at least.
 

broadsword

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So after all these years there is finally an asian male UFC champion. Its some dude from Myanmar who came to the US at 12. He won by basically letting his opponent break his own army early. He is now one of the youngest UFC champions.

Its a really hilarious way how after all these years, this is how an Asian Male becomes UFC champion for the first time. But now the curse is lifted at least.

Will the Myanmar junta do likewise?
 

victoon

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Tough question. Shimano has many levels. Dura-Ace is the best and I don't think Chinese companies have an answer yet but we are very close, sometimes neck and neck with Ultegra, the second best and most frequently used groupset by semi-pros. (Ultegra is also what was used to win the junior champs I mentioned above.) We have several options that are lighter while performing on par or better with Shimano's 3rd tier groupset called 105, or the people's groupset as it's known for being the favorite of all cyclists that are not good enough to be competitive but have a refined taste for excellent bikes.

Shimano is the most vaunted company in cycling components. Eversince Shimano invented index shifting (shifters and brakes in one handpiece as opposed to shifters on the downtube and brake levers on the handlebars), they have left Campagnolo in the dust and never looked back. SRAM is an American challenger and 10-15 years ago, the cycling world was made of Shimano, Campagnolo and SRAM as your only 3 choices for modern groupsets. Shimano was the smoothest; SRAM was the lightest, and Campagnolo was for snobs.

Around 10-15 years ago, an incident ocurred at SRAM that saw several Chinese engineers leave. Those engineers founded 2 Chinese companies for components. Those are Sensah, and LTWOO, the latter of which clearly copied Campagnolo. This was the age of cable shifting and those 2 groupsets were known to be pretty good, very good for the money, but just lacking refinement compared to the big 3.

Since then, the age of electronic shifting began and electronics is where China truly excels. Sensah has done ok, but LTWOO has become the frontrunner for electronic hydraulic disc groupsets. They are truly a hair away from Shimano's mid-high tier smoothness and you would never know. Others include Wheeltop, which makes an app-controlled groupset that can be set up to anything from 7-13 speed, and Magene. Magene makes a groupset that is very similar to Shimano (usable in China only due to the need to download an app that can only accept registration from Chinese phone numbers) but recently, they goofed. A design flaw led a Chinese cyclist to lose all braking power and ending up hospitalized from an uncontrolled descent. Word is, the company was unapologetic and tried to blame it on the user until many places and people experimented proving that it was a design flaw with their hydraulic fluid reservoirs being too small.

All in all, I recommend you go with LTWOO. Their electronic groupsets are superb (~$500-600) and only a real pro would notice any slight difference between that and Shimano. You can also buy their older cable groupsets (~$200) and save a lot of money that way. They work just fine, don't need charging, but are not bling bling and not as refined as the electronic stuff.

I strongly recommend Trace velo for keeping up with Chinese cycling tech, which are extremely plentiful from bikes to groupsets to simple single components like cassettes, 3D printed saddles, carbon derailleur cages, cranksets, etc... that can save a lot of weight (pay attention to Trace's reviews as some are trash and some are gold). This channel is run by a Brit named Luke who buys everything on Aliexpress and reviews them, from chains that are garbage and last 6 rides to total Chinese bike builds that he deems are the best value in the world by far.
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This is just what I needed, given what happened. Even if there is a walkback, my commitment to MIC has completely hardened.
 

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New League, New Style of Play, New Ecosystem: CPB “Gets on Base” to Launch a New Chapter in the Commercialization of Chinese Baseball

Published: 2025-11-29 – Beijing

Whether in terms of competitive strength or its vast commercial potential, the emergence of CPB is not merely the launch of a new league—it is more like the collective realization of years of accumulation and anticipation in Chinese baseball.

By Liu Chengkang

In China, baseball has long been seen as a niche sport. Yet at the recently concluded 15th National Games, baseball unexpectedly became a “dark horse.” A supposedly niche event held in Zhongshan, a second-tier city outside the Guangdong-Hong Kong-Macau megaregion, managed to draw high attendance and create a passionate atmosphere of continuous cheering.

This scene gave us a glimpse of Chinese baseball’s potential and vitality. Looking back now, the baseball fever at the National Games seems to have been building momentum for a new chapter of the sport in China.

Shortly after the 15th National Games ended, on November 26, in Shenzhen—just across the water from Zhongshan—the press conference for the CPB China Professional Baseball City League (hereinafter “CPB”) gathered representatives from five brand-new clubs (Changsha Want Want Black Bears, Xiamen Dolphins, Shenzhen Blue Sox, Fuzhou Sea Knights, and Shanghai Charoen Pokphand Dragons) to jointly launch the league’s first event: the 2026 Spring Inaugural Tournament.

Breakthrough Momentum in Chinese Baseball

In recent years, baseball in China has achieved new breakthroughs. On the field, the Chinese national team earned its best-ever result—fourth place—at the 2024 U23 Baseball World Cup. In participation, the number of active baseball players has surpassed 22 million, with a broader connected demographic exceeding 43 million, over 80% of whom are 20 to 35 years old. The youth development system has also strengthened, with 31 national youth competitions and more than 900 participating teams.

As Xie Bin, Vice President of the Chinese Baseball Association, stated at the press conference:
“The CPB China Professional Baseball City League is born at the right moment. Supported by favorable policies and the momentum of the National Games—and the shared aspirations of everyone in the baseball community—it is poised to rise.”

In Sports Money’s view, CPB is not only inheriting the baseball enthusiasm of the National Games but also taking on a new mission—to bring a high-level, market-driven baseball spectacle to Chinese sports.

A Top-Tier Competitive Baseball Platform

For any newly established sports league, its foundation is determined not by slogans or packaging but by pure competitive strength. The skill, depth, and structure of its players directly determine whether the league can genuinely attract the market.

The CPB Spring Inaugural Tournament’s open tryouts and draft showcased the true baseline of Chinese baseball.

Since October, CPB has held open tryouts in five cities nationwide, attracting over 500 players with professional potential. According to official statistics:

Players aged 18–22 accounted for 41%

Players aged 23–28, considered the prime years, accounted for 36%

In terms of player level, the draft pool was surprisingly strong. Participants included student athletes, youth-system players, players with professional backgrounds, and those with overseas experience:

18% had professional or semi-professional backgrounds

35% had provincial-team experience or high placements at national tournaments

Five Simultaneous “First Overall Picks”

In the first round of the “Super Round,” all five teams designated their picks simultaneously—meaning each club effectively had its own “first overall pick.”

These included:

Wu Qirui and Huadancairang, members of the national team that achieved China’s best-ever U23 World Cup result

Yi Jian, who once played for the MLB Milwaukee Brewers organization

Gong Haicheng and Zhang Yinfan, who helped Shanghai and Jiangsu win bronze and gold at the 15th National Games respectively

CPB worked with the Baseball Federation of Asia to implement a data-driven, standardized evaluation system, meaning sports science has been embedded into the league from day one.

Giving Former Pros a Way Back

Liang Xintong, selected in the fifth round of the Super Round and a former player in MLB’s development program (MLBDC), said the tryout athletes were “all at a very high level.” Now a ski coach, he sees CPB as a beacon allowing athletes like him—who once had professional-level ability but no longer played baseball—to return to the game.

57 Players Drafted, More to Come

A total of 57 players were drafted. But this represents only part of the league's talent base. Clubs are free to sign additional players from Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, and overseas.

According to Shanghai CP Dragons GM Zhang Xiaotian:
“Two-thirds of our roster was already signed before the draft—the draft served as targeted reinforcement.”

Youth Development as the Future

Youth training will also be a critical pillar.

Clubs like Changsha Want Want Black Bears are working with local associations to build a 4-tier youth system (primary school–university)

Fuzhou Sea Knights are preparing to convert a golf course owned by their parent company into an international-standard baseball park

From its large-scale, high-level draft to its open, market-oriented player system, CPB is positioning itself as a professional platform built on competitive strength, professional standards, and deep talent reserves—fully capable of becoming China’s highest baseball stage.

A New Engine for China’s Baseball Industry

If elite players give CPB confidence on the competitive side, its commercial structure determines how far it can ultimately go.

CPB’s biggest innovation is its fully market-driven, fully commercialized business model. The founding clubs are each backed by different enterprises—including consumer goods giants, cultural-tourism groups, and local capital—creating diversified investment and natural industrial synergy.

This means CPB begins with advantages in:

Ticketing

Media/content production

Sponsorships

IP operations

Merchandise

Urban cultural tourism

Five Teams Instead of Four

Originally planned as a four-team league, CPB expanded to five after both Xiamen and Fuzhou demonstrated strong commitment.

CPB plans to further expand club numbers in future seasons, giving more cities a chance to join.

“League Productization” and a Three-Year Plan

Unlike past domestic baseball events, CPB introduces true league productization, supported by a three-year development roadmap:

2026: Tournament-style centralized competition

2027: Summer league upgraded to touring home-and-away

2028: Full home-and-away format, matching international professional standards

This long-term strategy builds:

Stable home-field cultures

Fan economies

Deep city engagement

These are the core assets of sustainable professional sports.

Building a Baseball Cultural Ecosystem

CPB aims to create an immersive baseball culture—not just a league:

CPB Girls (cheer squad)

Team fight songs

City cultural performances

Fan-perspective live rooms

Fan-oriented post-game conferences

Other content innovations

Baseball—with its rhythm, social attributes, and entertainment value—is globally recognized as a culture-driven sport. CPB hopes to replicate this by connecting Chinese cultural elements with global baseball traditions.

Policy Support and International Outlook

Under China’s goal of a 70 trillion yuan sports industry by 2030, sports consumption will rise sharply. Market-driven events like CPB—which integrate culture, tourism, and sports—are well-positioned to receive policy and societal support.

CPB also has natural international potential due to its alignment with the Chinese Baseball Association and the Baseball Federation of Asia.

As club brands mature and competition improves, CPB could attract more overseas:

Players

Coaches

Management talent

It may also develop cross-regional collaboration—training camps, preseason games, youth partnerships, brand collabs—helping CPB evolve into a regional Asian baseball asset.

Conclusion: A Full-Scale Sports Business Ecosystem

CPB’s future is not merely a story of league operations—it is a complete sports business ecosystem that features:

Market-driven development

Industrial-level planning

Cultural ecosystem building

International expansion potential

In a period when China’s sports industry is rapidly transitioning toward market-driven models, baseball’s cultural appeal, consumption characteristics, and social attributes uniquely position CPB as a potential model for a new generation of sports leagues.

From competitive strength to long-term commercial outlook, CPB represents not just a new league but the accumulated expectations of Chinese baseball finally crystallizing.

It inherits the passion unleashed at the 15th National Games and aligns with China’s broader shift toward marketized and brand-driven sports development.

In the coming years, CPB will not only train elite players and build city-based baseball cultures—it will push baseball into the heart of China’s sports industry, becoming a growing sports consumption IP.

A new era of Chinese baseball is arriving—and CPB is its starting point.

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yungho

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New League, New Style of Play, New Ecosystem: CPB “Gets on Base” to Launch a New Chapter in the Commercialization of Chinese Baseball
This is great to see as someone who personally loves baseball. These sports need to start from the grass-roots level and it's going to be extremely difficult to kick off when there's no culture and environment to facilitate continued participation from kids. Professionalization is the end goal and China often takes this top-down approach, but a strong grass-roots base needs to first be established. I personally don't have high hopes for Chinese baseball in the near-future, but hope this can go somewhere. Would love to see great rivalries between China/JP/KR/TW.
 

manqiangrexue

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This is just what I needed, given what happened. Even if there is a walkback, my commitment to MIC has completely hardened.
If you want to go cheap and do a Chinese cable mechanical groupset, this video will help you out. Basically, Chinese groupsets work very nearly as well as Shimano when they are well-maintained and installation is done very well (and this video teaches you all the tricks), but they will noticeably lag Shimano's smoothness otherwise. Shimano's strength is that even when poorly maintained and slightly imperfectly installed, it is still usually pretty smooth.

This video will help you if you just want a fantastic electronic groupset that can match Shimano to the best that any non-professional can tell at like 40% of the price.

I have not purchased any Chinese groupsets, however, nor have I purchased any new groupsets at all, because if you comb the internet for a great deal on used Shimano, you can literally buy it, use it for a year, then sell it for the same or more.
 
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Lethe

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Just a bit of banter and spice in the closing minutes of the second Ashes test between England and Australia yesterday:


Context: it's the fourth day of play and the match is effectively over, with Australia only minutes away from securing an inevitable victory. The English fast bowler, Jofra Archer, has decided that now is the time to bowl at maximum pace to the Australian batsman, Steven Smith, whom Archer had concussed a few years back with a ball that struck Smith's helmet. Hence Smith's comment in reply to one such aggressive delivery: "you bowl fast when there's nothing going on, champion". In the repertoire of Australian insults, "champ" is amongst the most condescending, in that it's a word an adult might use (affectionately) in conversation with child. Between adults, it's generally taken to be dismissive and patronising. Smith proceeds to have the last laugh by smashing Archer all over the ground.
 

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Baseball │ Lin Yi-Chuan Set to Become “Shanghai Shen-Chuan”! Report: Veteran Slugger to Join CPB’s Shanghai Zhengda Dragons with a Monthly Salary of RMB 40,000

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Tuesday, December 9, 2025 – 5:31 PM

Recent reports indicated that 40-year-old former Uni-President 7-ELEVEN Lions star Lin Yi-Chuan—known to fans as “Shen-Chuan”—was interested in heading to mainland China to play in the China Professional Baseball City League (CPB). According to multiple media outlets today (Dec. 9), Lin Yi-Chuan has indeed decided to join the Shanghai Zhengda Dragons, although his monthly salary will be lower than before, reportedly around RMB 40,000 (approximately NT$180,000).

Lin Yi-Chuan, now 40, was not offered a new contract by the Uni-Lions after the 2024 CPBL season and was released. He subsequently failed to attract interest from the other five CPBL clubs during free agency. Media reports noted that Lin was highly motivated to “head west” and join the China Professional Baseball City League, which begins play on January 1 next year, and that the Shanghai Zhengda Dragons were the likely landing spot.

Lin was selected in the first round of the 2007 draft by the Sinon Bulls and moved to the Uni-Lions in 2023. Over his career, he has earned Rookie of the Year honors, four RBI titles, three MVP awards, and captured the Triple Crown in 2013 by winning the batting title, hits title, and home run title all in the same season. Across 6,720 plate appearances in the CPBL, he recorded 2,013 hits, including 210 home runs, with a career batting average of .332.

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