PLA Small arms

[Saru]

stfu that keyhole shit got debunked years ago for someone who post mostly in PLA small arms and qbz 191 thread you I thought you should know this but no your just a retarded troll

What he says should be taken with grain of salt nothing has been confirmed it's all speculations and assumptions what's really going on in that footage.

I find it strange how PLA shows this training round which isn't even specified It's just a footage of them shooting at practice targets only once.

Then we never see it being replicated ever again if those training rounds were so useful wouldn't the PLA prioritize them?

Unless they have moved to more effective ways of firearms practice.

Right now they rely on blanks, VR and even laser guns.

 

[Saru]

Strange new generation scope

 

[AZaz09dude]

What he says should be taken with grain of salt nothing has been confirmed it's all speculations and assumptions what's really going on in that footage.

I find it strange how PLA shows this training round which isn't even specified It's just a footage of them shooting at practice targets only once.

Then we never see it being replicated ever again if those training rounds were so useful wouldn't the PLA prioritize them?

Unless they have moved to more effective ways of firearms practice.

Right now they rely on blanks, VR and even laser guns.

Your bait is trash. Anyone can follow the same Chinese accounts and read/translate comments and forum posts, so I don't even know why you're trying to twist things like this. You're not special, you're making yourself look retarded.

 

[AZaz09dude]

Speaking of retards, I propose Saru face the same ultimatum as the Jai Hind shitting all over the Indian military news thread recently. Post sources supporting his claims, or get banned.

More specifically, post evidence of the QBZ191 series (non prototype/trials) having repeated issues with keyholing when firing live ammunition, instead of the single known instance where there is evidence that they are using rubber bullets as a makeshift solution to train in killhouses not rated for live rounds.

 

[Saru]

Speaking of retards, I propose Saru face the same ultimatum as the Jai Hind shitting all over the Indian military news thread recently. Post sources supporting his claims, or get banned.

More specifically, post evidence of the QBZ191 series (non prototype/trials) having repeated issues with keyholing when firing live ammunition, instead of the single known instance where there is evidence that they are using rubber bullets as a makeshift solution to train in killhouses not rated for live rounds.

Making insults like a toddler isn't gonna give you more credibility.

" More specifically, post evidence of the QBZ191 series (non prototype/trials) having repeated issues with keyholing when firing live ammunition, instead of the single known instance where there is evidence that they are using rubber bullets as a makeshift solution to train in killhouses not rated for live rounds. "

I won't be able to do that just like how you won't be able to fully prove whether if they used practice rounds for the firearm. What I am certain of, It is that Arms companies tend to shy away from existing problem with their guns. China isn't alone on this looking at you (cough) SIG.

I just find it quite strange how we never get to see the same results replicated ever again, Where did the use of those training rounds go all of sudden? While training rounds exist for PLA certainly. That does not confirm without any direct evidence or proof that they used non live rounds in that footage.

His video goes into great details about the gun and the practice ammunition itself but there's really no direct answer to what they used in the video we can't even see the caliber in clarity other than It's color and length which has roughly the same length and color of the DBP-10 if practice rounds are this indistinguishable from the real deal then that is quite the disingenuous incompetence that should be addressed immediately it violates any safety measures.


The only explanation would be either their caliber had improper bullet diameter thus resulting a keyhole without the gun being responsible of it or that the gun itself had improper barrel assembly.

 

[AZaz09dude]

Making insults like a toddler isn't gonna give you more credibility.

" More specifically, post evidence of the QBZ191 series (non prototype/trials) having repeated issues with keyholing when firing live ammunition, instead of the single known instance where there is evidence that they are using rubber bullets as a makeshift solution to train in killhouses not rated for live rounds. "

I won't be able to do that just like how you won't be able to fully prove whether if they used practice rounds for the firearm. What I am certain of, It is that Arms companies tend to shy away from existing problem with their guns. China isn't alone on this looking at you (cough) SIG.

I just find it quite strange how we never get to see the same results replicated ever again, Where did the use of those training rounds go all of sudden? While training rounds exist for PLA certainly. That does not confirm without any direct evidence or proof that they used non live rounds in that footage.

His video goes into great details about the gun and the practice ammunition itself but there's really no direct answer to what they used in the video we can't even see the caliber in clarity other than It's color and length which has roughly the same length and color of the DBP-10 if practice rounds are this indistinguishable from the real deal then that is quite the disingenuous incompetence that should be addressed immediately it violates any safety measures.
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The only explanation would be either their caliber had improper bullet diameter thus resulting a keyhole without the gun being responsible of it or that the gun itself had improper barrel assembly.

Sounds like a lot of speculations and assumptions. Any proof?

 

[Aniah]

Making insults like a toddler isn't gonna give you more credibility.

Making shit up and starting shit here is trolling and bannable.

" More specifically, post evidence of the QBZ191 series (non prototype/trials) having repeated issues with keyholing when firing live ammunition, instead of the single known instance where there is evidence that they are using rubber bullets as a makeshift solution to train in killhouses not rated for live rounds. "

1. It was one video showing keyholing.
2. Show all the different inferences where there was a history of keyholing.
3. You know what the killshouse is rated for, how exactly? Where did you get this information when it was on CN official media that it was training rounds with less powder to prevent over-penetration?

I won't be able to do that just like how you won't be able to fully prove whether if they used practice rounds for the firearm. What I am certain of, It is that Arms companies tend to shy away from existing problem with their guns. China isn't alone on this looking at you (cough) SIG.

1. You admit to not knowing, meaning you're pulling everything out of your ass.
2. Projecting others' history onto China does not magically make it true.

I just find it quite strange how we never get to see the same results replicated ever again, Where did the use of those training rounds go all of sudden? While training rounds exist for PLA certainly. That does not confirm without any direct evidence or proof that they used non live rounds in that footage.

1. Do you expect every single thing to be shown?
2. China rarely shows itself firing guided missiles as well. Are you going to assume they don't have missles now?

His video goes into great details about the gun and the practice ammunition itself but there's really no direct answer to what they used in the video we can't even see the caliber in clarity other than It's color and length which has roughly the same length and color of the DBP-10 if practice rounds are this indistinguishable from the real deal then that is quite the disingenuous incompetence that should be addressed immediately it violates any safety measures.

1. The video clearly shows the ammo being ejected a lot weaker than what traditional 5.8 ammo would eject like. It's visually identifiable.
2. Do you not know what training rounds are? "It's color and length which has roughly the same", are you a complete dumbass?

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The only explanation would be either their caliber had improper bullet diameter thus resulting a keyhole without the gun being responsible of it or that the gun itself had improper barrel assembly.

No, dafuq it is not. The germans do this regularly, the british do this regularly, the SAS does this regularly. Reported for trolling.

 

[supersnoop]

Their quality diminished greatly throughout the years, their greatest work is the Type81 and AK47 which is exact copies of Kalashnikov.

Only issue those who replicated those firearms isn't even alive today, using the decade old achievement as a comparison to this day and age is irrelevant.

China is investing less money on military equipment that is why their ergonomics quality tend to be bad and easily worn out.

Professional Instructors from China isn't very happy with it either still lots of complaints about overlapping ergonomics that rely on cheap solutions.

While it boasts impressive recoil and weight it struggles with quality overall.

Type 81 has nothing to do with AK other than vague external appearance. The action is short stroke gas piston, rather than a long stroke. Action is the heart of the weapon, so if the two are different, they are not related. Most accessories aren’t even compatible.

Did you know Type 81 was still (probably still) made for export as late as a few years ago? So you think that they are purposely making newer and qualitatively worse rifles for some unknown reason? Like even if the reason was to save money, wouldn’t economies of scale dictate using similar materials and fabrication?

How can ergonomics be “worn out”? Do you think there is some kind of cushioning that can wear down? How can they be “overlapping”? Like you think there are 3 safeties and 6 charging handles?

What you are saying is grade A horsecrap. No proof whatsoever.

 

[Aniah]

@Aniah Do we call Deino in now? The conversation is derailing.

I've already reported this. Feel free to send in your own report. Just let the admins deal with this.

 

[Saru]

Making shit up and starting shit here is trolling and bannable.

1. It was one video showing keyholing.
2. Show all the different inferences where there was a history of keyholing.
3. You know what the killshouse is rated for, how exactly? Where did you get this information when it was on CN official media that it was training rounds with less powder to prevent over-penetration?

1. You admit to not knowing, meaning you're pulling everything out of your ass.
2. Projecting others' history onto China does not magically make it true.

1. Do you expect every single thing to be shown?
2. China rarely shows itself firing guided missiles as well. Are you going to assume they don't have missles now?

1. The video clearly shows the ammo being ejected a lot weaker than what traditional 5.8 ammo would eject like. It's visually identifiable.
2. Do you not know what training rounds are? "It's color and length which has roughly the same", are you a complete dumbass?
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No, dafuq it is not. The germans do this regularly, the british do this regularly, the SAS does this regularly. Reported for trolling.

Practice Rounds don't have gunpowder inside them while what looks like to be the projectile still inside the cartridge. I suppose this is a Practice Round, however it is odd how they don't have a specific color for those training Rounds. that are vibrant and obvious indicators that those are rounds that are non-lethal.

Unlike the comparisons that you just brought up. PLA making things lot more confusing and misleading is infuriating.