PLA Small arms

[Saru]

Wasn't the video of key holing not proven to be due to the use of rubber sim munitions in an indoor range? I am not aware of this being a common problem firing live ammunition.

That's speculations, Nothing has been stated that they really are training ammunition besides using training ammunition is useless if they don't perform the same manner roughly.

While training cartridges exist it is odd to see that we only saw it being used once in that video and suddenly then never.. but that may have never been the case either. For all we know it could have been proper ammunition.

 

[Sunbud]

That's speculations, Nothing has been stated that they really are training ammunition besides using training ammunition is useless if they don't perform the same manner roughly.

While training cartridges exist it is odd to see that we only saw it being used once in that video and suddenly then never.. but that may have never been the case either. For all we know it could have been proper ammunition.

This is specifically rubber training munitions for firing in indoor CQB practice areas with troops moving through, where this will not affect the training experience, but where safety takes precedence. This is not training ammunition for firing at targets at range. A rough analogy being a much more potent solid paintball but probably still potentially lethal in a freak accident.

We do know of the specific rubber sim munitions used by the PLA for indoor CQB training, which given the context of the clip would make be the most logical explanation. You would not fire live rounds in an enclosed space with other troops moving around. Penetration, ricochet and spalling would be very dangerous.

Rubber munitions will not be able to engage rifling sufficiently to stabilise, let alone the density and other characteristics of a rubber projectile that will likely not allow it to develop a high enough spin and angular momentum to stabilise.

 

[supersnoop]

That's speculations, Nothing has been stated that they really are training ammunition besides using training ammunition is useless if they don't perform the same manner roughly.

While training cartridges exist it is odd to see that we only saw it being used once in that video and suddenly then never.. but that may have never been the case either. For all we know it could have been proper ammunition.

Yes, after hundreds of thousands of rifles produced, China can’t rifle barrels properly or consistently anymore. Never heard of this problem before even in rugged areas like Type-81/97 in SEA jungles or mountains of north east India.

Even Indian authorities ditched their INSAS rifles for “AK-56” (Chinese made AK-47)

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[AsuraGodFiend]

That's speculations, Nothing has been stated that they really are training ammunition besides using training ammunition is useless if they don't perform the same manner roughly.

While training cartridges exist it is odd to see that we only saw it being used once in that video and suddenly then never.. but that may have never been the case either. For all we know it could have been proper ammunition.

stfu that keyhole shit got debunked years ago for someone who post mostly in PLA small arms and qbz 191 thread you I thought you should know this but no your just a retarded troll

 

[Clango]

The problem with the gun it keyholes sometimes, the cartridge tend to get caught inside the chamber although it is not often it's a rare instance they are usually defect models.

While China is trying to catch up they remain behind other Countries when it comes to quality of their Guns the main problem with the QBZ19 is the quality control similar to QBZ-95 reportedly some of it's ergonomics easily gets worn out that can affect the performance of the gun.

It is a substantial improvement over the QBZ-95 unfortunately it's design is outdated.

Which is why no foreign armies are interested in buying their next generation rifle it doesn't really do anything different from what a M4 does except it struggles with modularity the amount of ergonomics that can be swapped with the QBZ-191 is non existent.

You know, if you want to write retarded shit like this at least word it in a way that makes sense, because "cartridge tend to get caught inside the chamber" is a fucking extraction problem, not this retarded keyholding shit you're trying to parade around.

 

[supersnoop]

You know, if you want to write retarded shit like this at least word it in a way that makes sense, because "cartridge tend to get caught inside the chamber" is a fucking extraction problem, not this retarded keyholding shit you're trying to parade around.

Not to mention, if a cartridge got stuck in the chamber, you aren't going to get any keyholing because a round wouldn't be firing

Moron-level garbarge

"ergonomics easily gets worn out" - basically impossible. Ergonomics is not a consumable (for the most part).
"struggles with modularity..." - meaningless
"doesn't do anything different from what a M4 does" - Guess I missed the recent launch of the US Plasma Rifle in the 40W range...

 

[Aniah]

The problem with the gun it keyholes sometimes, the cartridge tend to get caught inside the chamber although it is not often it's a rare instance they are usually defect models.

While China is trying to catch up they remain behind other Countries when it comes to quality of their Guns the main problem with the QBZ19 is the quality control similar to QBZ-95 reportedly some of it's ergonomics easily gets worn out that can affect the performance of the gun.

It is a substantial improvement over the QBZ-95 unfortunately it's design is outdated.

Which is why no foreign armies are interested in buying their next generation rifle it doesn't really do anything different from what a M4 does except it struggles with modularity the amount of ergonomics that can be swapped with the QBZ-191 is non existent.

It never had a keyhole problem. Those were training rounds. They were made for CQC training, so they don't overpenetrate. This was already said on the CN news. It's literally the same video where the bullets were "keyholing".

 

[Aniah]

While training cartridges exist it is odd to see that we only saw it being used once in that video and suddenly then never.. but that may have never been the case either. For all we know it could have been proper ammunition.

"If a tree falls in the forest when no one's looking, it doesn't make a sound." - Saru

Does not showing active training with a round make it non-existent, or do you simply think China records every daily training for the last 50 years?

Don't be a dumbass.

 

[Saru]

Wasn't the video of key holing not proven to be due to the use of rubber sim munitions in an indoor range? I am not aware of this being a common problem firing live ammunition.

It never had a keyhole problem. Those were training rounds. They were made for CQC training, so they don't overpenetrate. This was already said on the CN news. It's literally the same video where the bullets were "keyholing".

CN News only stated they were training not using training rounds two different contrasts.

 

[Saru]

Yes, after hundreds of thousands of rifles produced, China can’t rifle barrels properly or consistently anymore. Never heard of this problem before even in rugged areas like Type-81/97 in SEA jungles or mountains of north east India.

Even Indian authorities ditched their INSAS rifles for “AK-56” (Chinese made AK-47)

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Their quality diminished greatly throughout the years, their greatest work is the Type81 and AK47 which is exact copies of Kalashnikov.

Only issue those who replicated those firearms isn't even alive today, using the decade old achievement as a comparison to this day and age is irrelevant.

China is investing less money on military equipment that is why their ergonomics quality tend to be bad and easily worn out.

Professional Instructors from China isn't very happy with it either still lots of complaints about overlapping ergonomics that rely on cheap solutions.

While it boasts impressive recoil and weight it struggles with quality overall.