New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

PopularScience

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I thought it was a Xiaomi Su7 before I see the words "Dongfeng's eπ"

Xiaomi Su7 catches fire after unloading from trailer. Reasons of the incident have not been clarified. However, I think it's the fault of the battery. Maybe people should check about battery safety again.

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Not related to car battery. Owner's battery caught fire.
 

siegecrossbow

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Europeans failed the IQ tests which checks if they understand ability to sell the same quality product at a much lower price also means ability to sell a much higher quality product at same price.

For years they were convinced the competition is only for mass market vehicles, they really bought into the delusion that their brand has intrinsic value without the need to back it up with actual products, and even now they still think it's a cost problem even as they're losing on both high and low end, because it's really a value problem.

Without solving value, cutting cost just means you build a shitbox that further destroys their brand, this is exactly what's happening.

The only good and realistic advice quoted in the entire article is, basically, to move to China and become Chinese.
MBAs use layoffs as some sort of universal panacea for every corporate ill so no surprise there really. At least they realized that there is a legit problem now instead of coping BJP style.
 

tygyg1111

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Tesla drops out of China's NEV market share top 10 in October

Tesla's October retail sales in China came in at
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, marking its lowest level since November 2022, according to data released by the CPCA on November 10.

The US electric vehicle (EV) maker's share of China's NEV market in October was 2.03 percent, the lowest since August 2022, data compiled by CnEVPost show.

This resulted in Tesla falling out of the top 10 in CPCA's monthly NEV retail sales rankings for the first time since August 2022.

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(HKG: 2333), occupying the final spot in October's NEV retail top 10, achieved a 3.2 percent share with 41,005 NEV sales.

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supersnoop

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Europeans failed the IQ tests which checks if they understand ability to sell the same quality product at a much lower price also means ability to sell a much higher quality product at same price.

For years they were convinced the competition is only for mass market vehicles, they really bought into the delusion that their brand has intrinsic value without the need to back it up with actual products, and even now they still think it's a cost problem even as they're losing on both high and low end, because it's really a value problem.

Without solving value, cutting cost just means you build a shitbox that further destroys their brand, this is exactly what's happening.

The only good and realistic advice quoted in the entire article is, basically, to move to China and become Chinese.
I don’t think that they thought their brand had as much intrinsic value as you believe. They were simply caught flat footed and their product cycle cannot match the Chinese model. Look at all the BBA EV models, all first gen platforms until recently where BMW and VWAG introduced 2nd gen. These second gen are barely competing with Xiaomi first generation platform. Xiaomi never built a car until 2 years ago. MBz already cancelled their 2nd gen EV.

China has already cemented leadership at this point because they are now setting the standards in EV safety.

1. One pedal driving regulations
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2. Recessed door handles
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3. Smart driving regulations
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These things aren’t even in western governments’ radars due to slow EV uptake.
 

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BYD's articulated electric buses for Chile:

China will toughen safety regulations for EV and assisted driving.
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Xiaomi YU7's die-casting enhances crash-force management, thermal system integration, and space efficiency. It just won an industrial award in North America. Unfortunately, Chinese NEVs are subjected to 100% tariff in both the US and Canada.
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Xiaomi YU7 earns the highest structural honour in the North American die-casting competition​

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Funny clickbaity headlines for China’s new EV acceleration rules
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I saw another one calling it “toning it down to ICE level acceleration”, funny because 5s 0-100km/h time is like luxury performance level.
That article primarily highlights how rapid technological advancement has led to societal safety concerns and regulatory challenges that struggle to keep pace. Personally, I'm more curious about whether Chinese passenger vehicles will still be able to unlock their maximum performance mode on specific road sections or racetracks in the future.
 

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so this is an interesting trend. Foreign OEMs and tier 1 suppliers using Chinese engineers and supply chain to get the latest Chinese technology so that they can remain competitive. In many ways, their APAC division just becomes another local Chinese player.
So basically Western companies are using the competition in China to get the technology to make them more competitive and make more money on the international market. Wouldn't this just allow those Western companies take advantage of the competition in China, while good Chinese companies don't have international market revenue.

What about Chinese companies using domestic competition to get international market share instead of cut throat competition at home? I do hope me Chinese companies expand more overseas and capture international markets instead of dying under domestic competition.
 

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That article primarily highlights how rapid technological advancement has led to societal safety concerns and regulatory challenges that struggle to keep pace. Personally, I'm more curious about whether Chinese passenger vehicles will still be able to unlock their maximum performance mode on specific road sections or racetracks in the future.
As per the news, then the regulation are just default settings. Owners can easily toggle them off. Same goes for the regulation on one-pedal driving being default off.
The Chinese government are also making new regulations regarding brake light activation for regenerative braking that exceeds a certain amount of stopping force.

so this is an interesting trend. Foreign OEMs and tier 1 suppliers using Chinese engineers and supply chain to get the latest Chinese technology so that they can remain competitive. In many ways, their APAC division just becomes another local Chinese player.
This is a long time coming, we already saw Northvolt buying Chinese equipment to make batteries. The reality going forward is that the top EV tech will be from China. Western automakers have been pulling back. US and Canada are not extending incentives meaning EV adoption will likely stall out as the prices stay high since the anticipated scale will never come.
 
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