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horse

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GZDRefugee said:
No, because apparently China folded despite having the upper hand.

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Thus Europe smells weakness.
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This episode is too bizarre to declare winners and losers.

All we really see is gross negligence, and cover my ass behaviour.

Everyone else, which includes all Chinese parties in this dispute, and all the automakers in Europe and Japan, it was just business.

The end result is that the automakers in Europe and Japan, and most like the United States too, now buy such chips from Nexperia-China, and not Nexperia-Europe.

Nexperia-Europe lost all their customers, and the people they employ probably will be terminated because their business is kaput.

The Chinese owner of the conglomerate still has all the business, and Europe losses all the jobs.

That is the worst outcome, and seemed like a very probable outcome when this all started.

Once this dispute started and the chips were cut off, what was the most practical solution? Just solve the problem with the same people. It was solved. The Dutch government was acting in an extremely bizarre way. Who side were they on?

:D
 
horse

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FriedButter said:
Only part of TikTok being sold is US operations. Would be easier if people said “TikTok US” instead of calling it TikTok. Because the way some people are talking appears as if the entirety of TikTok was sold when it wasn’t. FT wouldn’t be calling it “TikTok US” and “joint venture” if the entirely of TikTok was being sold. There wouldn’t be an need for an joint venture in that case.
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Yeah, exactly.

There is one point that some people in the West cannot grasp.

ByteDance has zero incentive to sell TikTok to the Americans.

ByteDance owns Douyin and TikTok. If they sell TikTok, then they got or created an equal competitor. Against themselves. No business does that.

TikTok was booted out of India. ByteDance never had been profitable. All driven by the China market.
 
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manqiangrexue

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Temstar said:
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I think Xi may be applying some pressure again, maybe to get the American to carry out some agreed terms.
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Or maybe it's allowed but the buyers don't want it. I can tell you if I have a business in China, I'd drop US imports regardless of the tariffs or regulations on them. I just don't want that shit anymore.
 
plawolf

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Temstar said:
It was supposedly an example that lead to 工业大摸底. A Chinese steel cable making company has been making cables with very high (and specific) specs for a foreign client. When they heard PLAN was doing RFQ for carrier arresting cables they thought they will give it a try. When they got the requirements from PLAN they realized to their shock the specs are very similar to that one wierd client of theirs. With the implication that end user for the cables that this client was ordering could very well be USN.

There's probably a non-trival amount of this happening with only the middleman who truely knows the link between Chinese supply chain and American MIC. If you want to investigate this though watch out for depressive tendencies that can lead to 8 shots to back of the head.
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It’s amusingly plausible that one of the reasons PLA modernisation has happened so quickly and so cost efficiently is due to the fact that Chinese suppliers make so much of the components for the American MIC. So when the PLA puts out a tender, suppliers can just tweak an existing export product and have it ready almost immediately while also at marginal cost since the Americans already paid for the R&D.

It could explain why public tenders have suddenly became such a massive thing in the last few decades when it was never a thing previously, as it looks like the PLA also noticed this pattern and are fully embracing it.

If true, the wider implications could be absolutely immense if a real hot war was to break out. Especially if China was to choose the timing of when the fighting starts.
 
_killuminati_

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GZDRefugee said:
Except the Western public has the memory and historical literacy of a goldfish potato.

Too cyncial? I hope so.
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We'll see how it progresses from here. Will the Western public regress back into deepstate propaganda? Or will the anti-state sentiment snowball? My honest bet is on the latter for several reasons.
  1. Western empire is in economic and political decline, situations where, historically, public unrest grows and anti-state sentiment naturally proliferates.
  2. Politically, the public is already very polarized; general mistrust is high.
  3. The collective Western support for Israel's Gaza Genocide, despite mass protests, has proven to the common Westerner that they have very little influence on their governments (the idea of democracy is shattered).
  4. The fruits of Chinese progress are visible to the Western public when they travel abroad; then, they are forced to question their own governments. Case example: Chinese EV dominating the Mexican market; Mexico is a popular tourism destination for Westerners, and relatively poorer; when the average Westerners witnesses the much poorer Mexican Uber driver driving an EV, he questions why he himself cannot have this.
  5. The globalization efforts the West has been propagating for the previous several decades are now working against them. It's not enough that the West controls the domestic censorship. The non-Western world has progressed a lot beyond the colonial and neocolonial era - lack of Western censorship here creates perceptive disparities that can no longer go unnoticed.
The West is waist-deep in quicksand. Independent movement here sinks it further in. The only way forward for them is too seek help from outsiders.
 
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