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Wrought

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Very interesting.

The point that stood out for me was US manufacturing value-add should be corrected downwards by 30-40% because companies such as Apple and Nvidia are captured as manufacturers in US statistics.

But Apple and Nvidia don't actually make anything as they outsource their production to Asia...

The truth of their classification is actually very murky and buried in bureaucratic technicalities. Being classified as a manufacturer in NAICS codes doesn't necessarily mean you are classified as such in government statistics. Unfortunately, the internal classifications are not publicly disclosed so there is no way of tracking granular specifics at the individual company level.

Another reason to be very careful and precise when drawing conclusions across similar (but not identical) datasets.

 

supercat

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The US' national debt is $38 trillion. In comparison, China's household savings is $22 trillion.

Chinese households have amassed record savings. That’s now fueling a stock market boom​

  • China’s stock market has been rallying to multi-year highs as trade tensions with U.S have eased.
  • The fuel behind the surge? Ordinary Chinese households, flush with record savings.
  • Total Chinese household savings currently stand at more than 160 trillion yuan ($22 trillion).
  • That is more than one third of the total market capitalization of the U.S. stock market.
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magmunta

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The US' national debt is $38 trillion. In comparison, China's household savings is $22 trillion.

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Basically, that means that the total household savings is more than the entire GDP of china. Just wow! That could potentially unleash more than expected GDP growth in the future as those savings can be invested into the Chinese economy or spent domestically. or to be more precise, GDP growth could be higher in the coming years, assuming people start spending or investing domestically, compared to previous years when people saved up for the future.
 

siegecrossbow

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China is running out of trash due to the increased waste to power plants and treatment plants. So now, it's digging up old trash, finding more things to re-use using AI and then burning remainder.

Landfills are dangerous to maintain anyway due to pent up flammable gases from decomposing garbage. It’s for the best that they are digging up old trash.
 

supercat

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Why Chinese millennials and Gen Z can lie flat…
Also, China's youth unemployment problem is greatly exaggeratedly, considering China also has one of the word's highest home ownership of more than 90%, as well as the huge household savings.

The productivity of China's workers in the manufacturing sector is arguably twice greater than America's, measured by physical output.
The findings, summarized in the table below, are striking. In every industry China’s manufacturing labor productivity in physical output per worker was greater than that of the US, by an average of 2.4 times.
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Nevermore

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Yes, considering China also has one of the word's highest home ownership of more than 90%, as well as the huge household savings.

The productivity of China's workers in the manufacturing sector is arguably twice greater than America's, measured by physical output.

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However, it remains extremely difficult for young people in China to afford a home in cities solely through their salaries. Young adults from ordinary families often require substantial financial support from their parents to start a household. My former boss once lamented this very issue: "In China today, it's the middle-aged and elderly who hold the wealth, while young people have barely a penny to their name!" I hope that China's high-quality growth over the next five to ten years will create more decent, high-paying jobs for the younger generation.
 

siegecrossbow

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However, it remains extremely difficult for young people in China to afford a home in cities solely through their salaries. Young adults from ordinary families often require substantial financial support from their parents to start a household. My former boss once lamented this very issue: "In China today, it's the middle-aged and elderly who hold the wealth, while young people have barely a penny to their name!" I hope that China's high-quality growth over the next five to ten years will create more decent, high-paying jobs for the younger generation.
Young adults have two parents and four grandparents though and unlike Western boomers they actually care about their kids, hence people lying flat.
 
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