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RoastGooseHKer

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antiterror13 said:
I haven't heard Xinjiang "genocide and slave labour" for months or years now ... what happening? ;)
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Well back in 2021, EU imposed sanctions of a number of Chinese officials over the whole Xinjiang drama. China retaliated by sanctioning EU lawmakers. That pretty much put an end to the Sino-EU bonhomie of the 2010s and marked a majour diplomatic victory for the Biden administration. This year, China listed the sanctions over those European lawmakers in an attempt to ease tensions, but EU not only failed to reciprocate, but also continued to add more sanctions and tariffs on Chinese entities. Clearly the EU is not interested in improving ties with China, but Beijing is still kissing Brussels’ arse with the hope that the later would not side with the US in the ongoing trade war. In other words, there appears to be either naïveté among Chinese foreign policy makers’ view on EU or Beijing could simply lack certain leverages to restrain the bloc.

huemens said:
What's happened so far is that Dutch seized the CONTROL of Nexperia. They did not confiscate the ownership. The shares still belongs to WingTech.
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But is this CONTROL permanent, meaning WingTech is forever out of the game without compensation should Beijing not intervene? Or the Dutch simply controls Nexperia, but WingTech could continue to receive revenue and other benefits from Nexperia just short of sitting on the board?
 
Phead128

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RoastGooseHKer said:
Well back in 2021, EU imposed sanctions of a number of Chinese officials over the whole Xinjiang drama. China retaliated by sanctioning EU lawmakers. That pretty much put an end to the Sino-EU bonhomie of the 2010s and marked a majour diplomatic victory for the Biden administration. This year, China listed the sanctions over those European lawmakers in an attempt to ease tensions, but EU not only failed to reciprocate, but also continued to add more sanctions and tariffs on Chinese entities. Clearly the EU is not interested in improving ties with China, but Beijing is still kissing Brussels’ arse with the hope that the later would not side with the US in the ongoing trade war. In other words, there appears to be either naïveté among Chinese foreign policy makers’ view on EU or Beijing could simply lack certain leverages to restrain the bloc.
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Xinjiang is like Tibet sanctions, really just a distraction. Same with Lithuania-Taiwan antics, just a distraction.

EV tariffs are not unexpected, most countries impose high tariffs and expect locally made production of automobiles, which is the remaining high value manufacturing area in Europe asides from commercial planes.

The only major friction is Dutch towing the line of US export controls, and that mostly has to do with FDPR rule where US can cut off underlying tech. US basically controls their tech export policy.

Yes VDL yapps a lot about de-risking and balance, but she lacks formal power of a real President and can easily be bypassed to individual member states.

So overall, despite VDL yapping, EU isn't really that big of hostile player, that's why China still engages individual member countries to bypass VDL, and develop relationships with Germany and France directly, where the power truly resides.

And lastly, US has declared a trade war with EU, this is one of lifetime chance to take advantage of a blunder and collapse of US prestige. Divide and conquer requires deft surgical precision, not blunt wielding instruments.
 
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Clango

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Phead128 said:
Xinjiang is like Tibet sanctions, really just a distraction. Same with Lithuania-Taiwan antics, just a distraction.

EV tariffs are not unexpected, most countries impose high tariffs and expect locally made production of automobiles, which is the remaining high value manufacturing area in Europe asides from commercial planes.

The only major friction is Dutch towing the line of US export controls, and that mostly has to do with de minimis rule where US can cut off underlying tech. US basically controls their tech export policy.

Yes VDL yapps a lot about de-risking and balance, but she lacks formal power of a real President and can easily be bypassed to individual member states.

So overall, despite VDL yapping, EU isn't really that big of hostile player, that's why China still engages individual member countries to bypass VDL, and develop relationships with Germany and France directly, where the power truly resides.

And lastly, US has declared a trade war with EU, this is one of lifetime chance to take advantage of a blunder and collapse of US prestige. Divide and conquer requires deft surgical precision, not blunt wielding instruments.
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That's fair, I too fell into the trap of simply wanting to fuck the EU just because of VDL, Germany and Netherlands, like you said China does have the clout and leverage to pick and choose which EU state it wants to engage with, so this is a golden opportunity to pull Spain and maybe Italy closer.
 
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Clango said:
That's fair, I too fell into the trap of simply wanting to fuck the EU just because of VDL, Germany and Netherlands, like you said China does have the clout and leverage to pick and choose which EU state it wants to engage with, so this is a golden opportunity to pull Spain and maybe Italy closer.
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It's most likely greece, Serbia, Hungary, Iceland and to some extent Finland that would suceed.
 
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huemens said:
China has already effectively done the Proportional Retaliation on this. If Dutch escalates further China can consider more steps.

What's happened so far is that Dutch seized the CONTROL of Nexperia. They did not confiscate the ownership. The shares still belongs to WingTech. Similarly China's proportional response is to allow WingTech to retain CONTROL of Nexperia China bypassing the orders from Nexperia Netherlands. Nexperia China is still a subsidiary of Nexperia Netherlands.
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huemens said:
If Netherlands were to take the ownership of Nexperia Netherlands away from WingTech, then a proportional measure would be to give WingTech the direct ownership of Nexperia China.
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I'm sorry but I have to say what kind of cucked thinking is that? Keeping something that's yours and not handing it over to a robber is not retaliation at all.

Say you have some of your money sitting on a table and I grabbed it and declared that all your money belongs to me. Would you consider it all even between us because you got to keep the money in your wallet? Is not handing over the money in your wallet a proportional retaliation of me robbing you?
 
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