Type 076 LHD/LHA discussion

[iewgnem]

I know its probably not Type 076's primary concept of operations, at least right now.
But from a purely geometrical perspective, simply pairing two Type 076 together will immediately yield a combined carrier with two EMAL, the ability to takeoff and land at the same time, and total deck space larger than a single Type 003. Only difference is you can't transfer aircraft from one to the other, which can be made into a non-issue with proper logistic planning.

 

[no_name]

STOVL is for landing not takeoff, 076 does not have the angled deck and heavy duty arresting gear for safe manned ops

Not necessarily need to be manned. We've seen 2 types of unmanned combat aircraft during the 3rd of September parade. They are smaller and lighter than F-35 or J-35, but without the weight and complexity of a large lift fan and support needed for pilots it's not inconceivable that they will have similar range to F-35B or even exceeds it. They will also be lighter still after returning from missions.

 

[Blitzo]

Hypothetical 076 layouts

Notably, it appears the ship may be able to launch aircraft while simultaneously moving airframes from the forward deck to the rear. This is substantial for deck ops

I want to clarify that the skepticism/lack of value of putting fixed wing manned fighters 076 has not been about their ability to launch aircraft cyclically.

What those drawings depict are fairly reasonable flight deck dispositions for aircraft in a launch cycle, and not too different to what you'd see on a full size aircraft carrier. You have aircraft lined up behind catapults all ready to launch multiple aircraft successively one by one. Aircraft would be spotted on the rear flight deck, an on the waist/landing strip as normal, lined up to launch one by one.
(Simultaneous launch and recovery isn't a thing)

An 076 will be able to do that no problem.

The reason why 076 being a light carrier with tactical fighter aircraft is a poor idea is more due to the relatively small airwing it can embark, the likely lack of aviation spaces to maintain aircraft and their requisite munitions and fuel in useful amounts, all of which will limit effective sortie rates.

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Also lol the drawing of GJ-21 is odd, they seemed to have made its trailing edge completely straight.

 

[kwaigonegin]

not true. it really depends on PLAN.

if you actually visit V/STOL thread then you can find many evidence. like the Lift fan, clutch, swivel nozzle and engine all tested and build. but most likely for research purpose and technology demonstrator.

China's V/STOL studies, concepts & considerations

A patent on an inlet design for a contra-rotating lift fan filed by the China Aerodynamics Research and Development Center.

www.sinodefenceforum.com

Not sure what's not true .. I said '15 yrs if ever' meaning there is no active development of an actual naval stovl aircraft though there may be some prototyping or development on independent stovl subsystems and components.

 

[kwaigonegin]

Not necessarily need to be manned. We've seen 2 types of unmanned combat aircraft during the 3rd of September parade. They are smaller and lighter than F-35 or J-35, but without the weight and complexity of a large lift fan and support needed for pilots it's not inconceivable that they will have similar range to F-35B or even exceeds it. They will also be lighter still after returning from missions.

Not sure if you read other posts but the entire premise of the subject was about manned aircraft.
Yes, we all are in agreement that there will be ucavs operating off the 076!

 

[Syrida2887]

Not sure if you read other posts but the entire premise of the subject was about manned aircraft.
Yes, we all are in agreement that there will be ucavs operating off the 076!

In fact, the discussion on this issue is of little value, because we still haven't found similar landing aid equipment on the aircraft carrier on Sichuan, which is almost unacceptable for manned aircraft.