Chinese UCAV/CCA/flying wing drones (ISR, A2A, A2G) thread

ACuriousPLAFan

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Actually I don‘t Like his artworks, they always tend to be on the larger Side and exaggerated in Details like weapons load.

His IWB illustration is particularly ridiculous.

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Is he expecting the side-view tail section of the GJ-X to look like the continental slope when going from littorial sea to oceanic sea or something?

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If anything - I don't expect the IWB (sole or main) on the GJ-X to be noticeably more than 10 meters long. Being able to fit strike-length UVLS cell-sized missile(s) should be plenty good enough for the GJ-X's expected role and mission coverage.
 
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tamsen_ikard

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According to Binkov, US is not going for high end CCA because it wants "affordable mass" when it comes to CCA drones. Its interesting that as time goes on, China goes on for more and more sophisticated Aircrafts while US keeps degrading its planes to try to produce more numbers. China is going for high quality AWACS in KJ-500/700 and KJ-3000. While US basically gave up on a good large sized AWACS and wants more "mass" by going for a much smaller E-2.

Its clear US is losing its ability to compete with China on the cutting edge of Aircraft technology and still wants to maintain some semblence of a force by going for cheaper but more numerous planes.

Now the question is, if China can maintain both quality and quantity at the same time. If China can pursue its high end CCAs but can produce them by the thousands as US wants for its CCAs, then that will be the clear game changer.
 

iewgnem

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According to Binkov, US is not going for high end CCA because it wants "affordable mass" when it comes to CCA drones. Its interesting that as time goes on, China goes on for more and more sophisticated Aircrafts while US keeps degrading its planes to try to produce more numbers. China is going for high quality AWACS in KJ-500/700 and KJ-3000. While US basically gave up on a good large sized AWACS and wants more "mass" by going for a much smaller E-2.

Its clear US is losing its ability to compete with China on the cutting edge of Aircraft technology and still wants to maintain some semblence of a force by going for cheaper but more numerous planes.

Now the question is, if China can maintain both quality and quantity at the same time. If China can pursue its high end CCAs but can produce them by the thousands as US wants for its CCAs, then that will be the clear game changer.
People are so obsessed on the two large UADF at the back in the parade they completely forgot the 2 smaller CCAs at the front, not to mention the two that didn't show up.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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According to Binkov, US is not going for high end CCA because it wants "affordable mass" when it comes to CCA drones. Its interesting that as time goes on, China goes on for more and more sophisticated Aircrafts while US keeps degrading its planes to try to produce more numbers. China is going for high quality AWACS in KJ-500/700 and KJ-3000. While US basically gave up on a good large sized AWACS and wants more "mass" by going for a much smaller E-2.

Its clear US is losing its ability to compete with China on the cutting edge of Aircraft technology and still wants to maintain some semblence of a force by going for cheaper but more numerous planes.

Now the question is, if China can maintain both quality and quantity at the same time. If China can pursue its high end CCAs but can produce them by the thousands as US wants for its CCAs, then that will be the clear game changer.

(*ULWA = Unmanned Loyal Wingman Aircraft (无人僚机 per the official 9-3 commentary) for sake of ease of typing)

When one thought that Binkov is getting better with his China-focused/China-specific videos (referring to their GJ-X video not long ago)... but eh, nevermind.

Funnily enough, now the cope essentially evolves into:
"Muh stealth is no longer important, China hasn't figured this out"
- Yeah, I suppose Northrop Grumman, Boeing and Lockheed Martin haven't figured that out too with their B-21, F-47 and CCA Vectis respectively, huh?

Moreover, there's this:
"muh we Murica is going to overwhelm China's expensive sh1t with our cheap, affordable mass"
- Who would've thought that today will actually come? And, of course - Too many of them still didn't realize, let alone understand the fact that China of today and going forward is equally capable of mass-fielding both high-end UADFs and low-end ULWAs.



Furthermore, if anything: The distances at which China are expected to fight her future war(s) (i.e. right in her own front yard and up till the 2IC) are still much, much shorter than the US (i.e. having to cross the entire Pacific to fight China) and most of their allies - And this will remain true until China fights up to and beyond 2.5IC.

So truth to be told, for the case of ULWAs - China is actually much better suited and much more effective at fielding them than the US would, as China's UCAVs aren't going to require as much mid-air refueling assets than their American counterparts in order to bring them into the same theater of war.

Sure, the US has a much superior aerial refueling capability to utilize - But not so much if they can be worn down pretty rapidly in a full-scale, prolonged oceanic war (if not becoming turkey shoots for the PLAAF's and the PLAN's LR/XLR/ULRAAMs).
 
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AssassinsMace

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China's CCAs are way cooler. Cheap and affordable is relative. I bet one of China's stealth CCAs will be around the same cost of the US's "cheap and affordable" and non-stealthy counterpart. Cheap and affordable goes against American capitalistic principles. And then they forget China can do a more cheap and affordable swarm way better and larger than they ever will and they know they will have to waste munitions making sure they have to hit everyone one of them.
 

siegecrossbow

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(*ULWA = Unmanned Loyal Wingman Aircraft (无人僚机 per the official 9-3 commentary) for sake of ease of typing)

When one thought that Binkov is getting better with his China-focused/China-specific videos (referring to their GJ-X video not long ago)... but eh, nevermind.

Funnily enough, now the cope essentially evolves into:

- Yeah, I suppose Northrop Grumman, Boeing and Lockheed Martin haven't figured that out too with their B-21, F-47 and CCA Vectis respectively, huh?

Moreover, there's this:

- Who would've thought that today will actually come? And, of course - Too many of them still didn't realize, let alone understand the fact that China of today and going forward is equally capable of mass-fielding both high-end UADFs and low-end ULWAs.



Furthermore, if anything: The distances at which China are expected to fight her future war(s) (i.e. right in her own front yard and up till the 2IC) are still much, much shorter than the US (i.e. having to cross the entire Pacific to fight China) and most of their allies (and this will remain true until China fights up to and beyond 2.5IC).

So truth to be told, for the case of low-tier ULWAs - China is actually much better suited to and much more effective at fielding them than the US do, as China's UCAVs aren't going to require as much mid-air refueling assets than their American counterparts in order to bring them into the same theater of war.

Sure, the US has a much superior aerial refueling capability to utilize - But not so much if they can be worn down pretty rapidly in a full-scale, oceanic war (if not becoming turkey shoots for the PLAAF's and the PLAN's LR/XLR/ULRAAMs).

So they admit that they will be using plane wave attacks against superior PLAAF assets? How the turn tables.
 
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