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akay said:
First of all you are funny. I put my logical arguments how external factors can affect the collapse of hegemonic entity, you just replied by giving some book names instead of giving your counter arguments . Then i gave you an article that mentions soviets were 20 years behind from US in information technologies , you again just say, I don't put any evidence for my claim. And your attitude against other is bad . Instead of putting your arguments politely, you are claiming others as dumb or ideas as ridiculous . I will just ask you one question about importance of information technologies. Why US tries everything to put China behind in information technologies if it does not afraid of losing its hegemony over the world ?
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You are failing to grasp some very basic political science here. Technology is important. But it is one among many contributing factors to comprehensive national power. Technology alone does not and has never deterministically dictated outcomes, in the USSR or today. Your logic is flawed because you fail to recognize the inherently political nature of any and every government. Government does not exist because of technology; it exists because of people. It has existed at every level of technology, from cavemen to modern. Always has and always will.

Again, that's why I recommended those books to you. I suggest you read them instead of continuing to advertise your ignorance further.
 
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akay said:
First of all you are funny. I put my logical arguments how external factors can affect the collapse of hegemonic entity, you just replied by giving some book names instead of giving your counter arguments . Then i gave you an article that mentions soviets were 20 years behind from US in information technologies , you again just say, I don't put any evidence for my claim.
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The Soviets were not 20 years behind in IT. Just like I showed you with two examples. I have heard people make claims of 5-10 years behind but I think it was more like 5.

They were like 5 years behind in microprocessors. The worst thing actually was DRAM. There they were further behind. But DRAM could be imported from East Germany and later Japan.
 
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akay

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Wrought said:
You are failing to grasp some very basic political science here. Technology is important. But it is one among many contributing factors to comprehensive national power. Technology alone does not and has never deterministically dictated outcomes, in the USSR or today. Your logic is flawed because you fail to recognize the inherently political nature of any and every government. Government does not exist because of technology; it exists because of people. It has existed at every level of technology, from cavemen to modern. Always has and always will.

Again, that's why I recommended those books to you. I suggest you read them instead of continuing to advertise your ignorance further.
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You are using the same dumb language and keeping your ignorance as in your previous replies . I never told that lacking behind of technology is the only reason for a collapse of hegemonic entity but i think it is the most important reason . US today maintains its hegemony not because of it is democratic or it respects human rights(as we can see how it behaves in Israel's ongoing genocide). Democracy and human rights is a lie of US to deceive people . Conversely, US maintains its hegemony because of its lead in technology . Finally this is my last reply about this issue. I won't waste my time by discussing you .
 
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You:
akay said:
I never told that lacking behind of technology is the only reason for a collapse of hegemonic entity
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Also you:
akay said:
Soviet Russia collapsed because it lost the lead in science and technology especially in information technologies
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Look buddy, I've tried to be patient with you and even read the source you provided. You did not return the favor. You refused to even look at any of the sources I provided. You don't know what you're talking about, and it shows.
 
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The Information claims Alibaba and Baidu are internally replacing some Nvidia chips with local ones.

China's Alibaba
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have started using internally designed chips to train their AI models, partly replacing those made by Nvidia
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, The Information reported on Thursday, citing four people with direct knowledge of the matter. Alibaba has been using its own chips for smaller AI models since early this year, while Baidu is experimenting with training new versions of its Ernie AI model using its Kunlun P800 chip, the report said.
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lol, I can tell you for sure that Qwen is the preferred option because we are heading to a race to the bottom for AI services.

anyways. another huge data center under construction in Xinjiang for large model training

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Said to have 20 EFLOPS by the end of this year.

This is from Silicon Flow on its current efforts to use domestic chips and the amount of tokens it consumes. Looks like under 1 Trillion per day
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Weichai is now the biggest domestic supplier of AI data center backup generators

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1967740863515443633
 
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gelgoog said:
The Soviets were not 20 years behind in IT. Just like I showed you with two examples. I have heard people make claims of 5-10 years behind but I think it was more like 5.

They were like 5 years behind in microprocessors. The worst thing actually was DRAM. There they were further behind. But DRAM could be imported from East Germany and later Japan.
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In my opinion, The Mig-31 and it's decentralized APD-518 datalink as well as it's PESA radar are a good example of the USSR's ingenuity and competitive designs. They were also going head to head with the US with their space industry up to the point of collapse.
 
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