Chinese UCAV/CCA/flying wing drones (ISR, A2A, A2G) thread

cdj20

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I just saw this collection of all shown and not shown CCA/UCAVs on FB and even if I agree with the first ones, I‘m still not sure about the maybe third large delta …

But when was this one shown (second image)?

At least I don‘t remember it … if legit, then there was yet another one?

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ougoah

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There were 2 large UADFs that weren't paraded.

Some speculated they were just doubles and mockups of the Type A and Type B UADFs paraded (using the actual aircrafts instead of mockups).

These 2 could instead be separate aircraft to the Type A and Type B.

Another thing worth noting here (for newbies), these images made their way online around 2021 - 2022.

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The image on the far right showing one of the 2 (assumed) UADFs that were not paraded with a clear dorsal "detail" that the cover wasn't able to mask the underlying geometry. It is clearly different to the Type A and Type B.
 

AndrewS

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I was basing my speculation on the fact that f.e. there are UCAV versions mulled for T-75 and various NGAD/FA-XX projects and probably others as well (B-21 unmanned variant contemplated iirc?). A T-75 UCAV would be more or less in the same weight/power class as the chinese UADFs. So while the above projects seems to stem from manned aircraft, it is not unreasonable to assume that the possibility of manned versions of the CAC/SAC would not have been considered, as i said imo the driver for that would be primarily exports or perhaps VTOL (for which there are signs suggesting VTOL fighters are seriously contemplate).

Previously it was argued that for such a manned single engine 6th gen a clean sheet project would be needed, but given the multitude of very advanced airframes being worked on in China right now, at least two 6th gen and 2 or 3 UADFs, yet another clean sheet design might probably not the most indicated use of design resources, perhaps it's better to make maximum use of existing airframe elements (not unlike T-75 came to be).

To be clear, i don't know if manned versions of the UADF were contemplated and/or whether a single engine export 6th gen fighter is being considered (not unlike the JF-17 project in scope f.e.), but this is a possibility we shouldn't discount and should keep an eye out for.

How would the Chinese Air Force use a 6th gen air superiority aircraft with a single engine?

They've already got the larger J-36 and J-50, which would be a better option for controlling the single-engine UADFs.

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And I don't see VTOL-capable aircraft being very useful for the Chinese military.
 

mack8

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How would the Chinese Air Force use a 6th gen air superiority aircraft with a single engine?

They've already got the larger J-36 and J-50, which would be a better option for controlling the single-engine UADFs.

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And I don't see VTOL-capable aircraft being very useful for the Chinese military.
Like i was making the argument earlier, a single engine 6th gen would be aimed primarily for export.

As for VTOL, there is a lot of noise on the theme recently suggesting significant interest in it. The main use would be for the 075 and 076 LHD, which atm are massively behind in capability to their US counterparts because they don't have a VTOL fighter.
 

AndrewS

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Like i was making the argument earlier, a single engine 6th gen would be aimed primarily for export.

My point is that let's say we live in a world with UADFs (which are equivalent of a 6th gen version of a single-engine J-10).
These will inevitably bear the brunt of air superiority combat, with the manned controlling aircraft in the rear.

So to control the UADFs, you don't want a single-engine 6th gen manned fighter.
You want a twin-engine version (aka the J-50), because it has more range/endurance, better missile launch kinematics and better sensors/electronics, etc etc


As for VTOL, there is a lot of noise on the theme recently suggesting significant interest in it. The main use would be for the 075 and 076 LHD, which atm are massively behind in capability to their US counterparts because they don't have a VTOL fighter.

Uh no.

The Type-076 has an EM catapult, so it can launch fully-loaded aircraft.

This is significantly ahead of its American counterparts which don't have a catapult, so American fighters have severe payload limitations due to VTOL
 
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Deino

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Where did this picture come from? I've never seen it before either

Sorry for the late reply, but I was still at school until now.

Here I found it:

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I just cut out the relevant part ...

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And here my layman's attempt to sort them a bit + adding the names according to @huitong's CMA-Blog

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ACuriousPLAFan

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Strange! Really strange ...

And here's again that even stranger or more mysterious "Type G" if it is indeed legit:

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This one feels like a bad attempt at PS. How could the UCAV model mockup be that noticeably off-centerline (when comparing the nose of the model mockup to the cab of the parade carrier truck), especially when the angle of the camera taking this photo is almost vertically above?
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Sorry for the late reply, but I was still at school until now.

Here I found it:

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I just cut out the relevant part ...

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And here my layman's attempt to sort them a bit + adding the names according to @huitong's CMA-Blog

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Honestly, I'd say that Type F is legit (we do have more than one photo/video footage of said model mockup in question), whereas Type G is quite likely a PS.
 
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