Chinese UCAV/CCA/flying wing drones (ISR, A2A, A2G) thread

Blitzo

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Wow! Didn't notice this!

I would also add that in terms of "fuselage details" -- I do think the picture I posted, in the lighting and the photo angle, seems to bring out a lot of details which may be consistent with it being an actual aircraft.

Namely, we can see lots of small lines of dots around the aircraft which may be for rivets, as well as some minor details on the fuselage that may be for various RF antennae.


I was surprised at the idea of it being a real aircraft as well, but to be honest based on some of the details of the airframe and also based on the H number, I think it may be pretty plausible.
 

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I would also add that in terms of "fuselage details" -- I do think the picture I posted, in the lighting and the photo angle, seems to bring out a lot of details which may be consistent with it being an actual aircraft.

Namely, we can see lots of small lines of dots around the aircraft which may be for rivets, as well as some minor details on the fuselage that may be for various RF antennae.


I was surprised at the idea of it being a real aircraft as well, but to be honest based on some of the details of the airframe and also based on the H number, I think it may be pretty plausible.


Indeed, I know I'm annoying with my critical and skeptical nature, but I have to agree with you, or rather "you all" now... but I'm still unsure about the Dorito-like CCA, especially because the exhaust looks very much like a mock-uo only!
But again I agree with all the others now; it strongly suggests real aircraft.

CCA on parade - 20250903 - 35.jpg
 

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PS: Interesting, the "6" as the first digit within the H-serial number - so far previously not seen - and denoting the type of aircraft fits nicely to the "6" seen on the VTUAV. So "6" means likely "UAV"?!
 

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Maybe a static test airframe, they just cut corners on parts unrelated to structural integrity like landing gear, nozzles, and other non-load-bearing components. Official claim that all equipment is in service does not mean that the real equipment must be displayed.
 

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Maybe a static test airframe, they just cut corners on parts unrelated to structural integrity like landing gear, nozzles, and other non-load-bearing components. Official claim that all equipment is in service does not mean that the real equipment must be displayed.


That's exactly my explanation too
 

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Indeed, I know I'm annoying with my critical and skeptical nature, but I have to agree with you, or rather "you all" now... but I'm still unsure about the Dorito-like CCA, especially because the exhaust looks very much like a mock-uo only!
But again I agree with all the others now; it strongly suggests real aircraft.

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My understanding is the current claim is that GJ-21 and the two "high end" CCAs/UADFs are meant to be real airframes.

The two "lower end" CCAs are likely still mockups/not real airframes.

Maybe a static test airframe, they just cut corners on parts unrelated to structural integrity like landing gear, nozzles, and other non-load-bearing components. Official claim that all equipment is in service does not mean that the real equipment must be displayed.

Right now the discussion isn't challenging the idea of whether the various UCAVs/CCAs are in service or not (I think by this point we all accept they are in service).

Rather, the question is about how many of the UCAVs/CCAs are real airframes.
Because it is a rather big surprise for us to discover that the GJ-21 and the two high end CCAs/UADFs are real airframes, so it's now about wondering whether the two lower end CCAs may also be real, or if they're mockups, or something else.


The discussion about how many of the UCAVs/CCAs are real airframes, has no bearing on the general acceptance that they are in some level of PLA service.
 

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My understanding is the current claim is that GJ-21 and the two "high end" CCAs/UADFs are meant to be real airframes.

The two "lower end" CCAs are likely still mockups/not real airframes.



Right now the discussion isn't challenging the idea of whether the various UCAVs/CCAs are in service or not (I think by this point we all accept they are in service).

Rather, the question is about how many of the UCAVs/CCAs are real airframes.
Because it is a rather big surprise for us to discover that the GJ-21 and the two high end CCAs/UADFs are real airframes, so it's now about wondering whether the two lower end CCAs may also be real, or if they're mockups, or something else.


The discussion about how many of the UCAVs/CCAs are real airframes, has no bearing on the general acceptance that they are in some level of PLA service.


Wait a minute, Your Honor:

I don't want to deny the official statements, but let us all be aware - especially given the exaggerated portrayal already on some social media - that these things are still far from truly operational (FOC) and certainly won't be used by hundreds of fully equipped brigades hunting F-22s and F-35s anytime soon.

The term "in operation" is therefore quite descriptive.
 
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