New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

tphuang

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Huge accomplishment for BEVs and BYD. It still looks to be limited by the track length rather than top end acceleration & drag. I hope they retry this with a longer test strip, 500 could be possible with more dev work. That and a top speed run with a proper production version could be the crowning achievement for the car.
all the ones that achieve these records are special race track version. Only a few people buy these versions. This is all about bragging rights. 500 is certainly possible at this point.
 

Nevermore

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From social media Li Auto drivers seem to have inconsiderate driving habits, and lousy driving skills. How true is this image?
Chinese forums are filled with the wild claims of various paid trolls. Chinese forums are rife with mockery and attacks targeting Xiaomi Auto, Li Auto, and Huawei Auto. Commenters accuse Xiaomi Auto of shoddy craftsmanship and lacking core technology while relying solely on media hype. They criticize Huawei Auto for peddling patriotic sentiment and boasting about technology through exaggerated press conferences. I recall that just three or four years ago, Tesla and BYD were the brands under attack. The atmosphere in some Chinese forums is truly toxic.
 

ougoah

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Chinese forums are filled with the wild claims of various paid trolls. Chinese forums are rife with mockery and attacks targeting Xiaomi Auto, Li Auto, and Huawei Auto. Commenters accuse Xiaomi Auto of shoddy craftsmanship and lacking core technology while relying solely on media hype. They criticize Huawei Auto for peddling patriotic sentiment and boasting about technology through exaggerated press conferences. I recall that just three or four years ago, Tesla and BYD were the brands under attack. The atmosphere in some Chinese forums is truly toxic.

It's not as toxic as you think. This is just fans and supporters of their own brands dishing it out at the rivals. They just happen to all be Chinese. Many of these "toxic" folks would still consider the focus of their mockery to be better than alternatives from Japan, Germany, US and elsewhere.

Xiaomi is a bit of a hype. Sure it's impressive on its own when you measure it against a Japanese car and impressive when compared to a German luxury car when you consider its price but there are dozens of sub-brands in China that outdo Xiaomi and are part of parent companies that have a broader and deeper in-house developed technologies.

Huawei's Aito, Avatr and other cooperations with established car makers are indeed impressive. I think they are much more mindblowing than Xiaomi's two vehicles but they're not performance focused like the Xiaomis. Huawei does sort of beenfit somewhat from patriotic sentiment. Its vehicles though are absolutely next level. The M8 is nicer than a Mercedes GLS at half the price. The M9 has about 10x more kit and features than the Maybach GLS. As derivative as the design for those giant Aito luxury barge SUVs are, there are literally a dozen more brands and hundreds of models of impressive vehicles. Sit in a Nio ET9 and then a Rolls Ghost and you'll find the ET9 to be a preferable alternative albeit lacking in the provenance and prestige department compared to a Rolls. Nio would compare favourably to anything else coming out of Asia in my opinion.
 

sndef888

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Looking at the new SAIC Huawei launch, I think it's going to sell well

SAIC, for all its faults is still seen as a "big brother" in chinese auto industry. Couple that with Huawei and the low low price of 16.98w, and I think you'll get good sales
 

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SAIC H5 Max is priced below 200K and is undercutting lots of class B SUV models on the market today. A mid-size 5-seat SUV under 200K with ADS4 (L3 ready) from SAIC is going to be a killer, for SAIC knows how to build cars on scale and it has ample idle production capacity. I guess the next model would be a class B sedan under 150K competing against Passat, Camry and Accord. The 150K ~ 200K segments are going to be even more bloody.
 

tphuang

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here is the video of YangWang U9 in action


The acceleration here is unreal. In the previous supercar videos I've watched, you can see them always struggling when you get past 200mph. No issue here. Just steady climb even once we get past 350km/h
 

bsdnf

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Who are those Chinese still buying gas powered cars from mostly western joint ventures? lol
I don’t see any reason anyone in China should still be buying gas powered cars at this point. There’s basically zero advantage of getting a gas powered car over an EV in China at this point.
1. Northerners, particularly those in Northeast China, with temperature anxiety.
2. Middle to elderly people, rarely use social media, less likely to change their perceptions. Generally, information needs to be disseminated to them through their children, which means two perception changes.
 
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