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Africablack

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These countries that sell with raw materials can demand all the industrial investments that they want. They can even force foreign companies buying their natural resources to setup local industries and employ their people. But that will still not automatically make their manufacturing competitive to the international market.

I would caution against this mindset of "we have the natural resources, therefore we have the power". This is a mindset that breeds mediocrity. There is one such example in SEA. That nation is blessed with oil, gas, minerals, timber, and marine resources. The people of this nation praise to the heavens everyday for blessing them with these resources. At some point, they kicked out an island on the south of this nation because they don't like the majority race of the people living there. That newborn little island nation only had mangrove swamps and negligible natural resources. While the blessed nation can easily make tons of money from the fat of their land, their new tiny neighbour had no choice but to rely on their bare hands and wits to make a living. Fast forward decades later, the blessed country had grown, but it remains a middle income third-world economy. It's industries are uncompetitive, and it had fallen deep into the middle income trap. Their tiny neighbour to the south whom they had abandoned and ridiculed have instead managed to transform itself into a first world economy.

Post-colonial third world nations are right to be grateful to be blessed with rich natural resources. But they should not get ahead of themselves and start becoming arrogant about it. They don't owe the industrialized nations anything. And the industrialized nations can chose where they wanna invest too.
What you're saying now is what folks were saying about China many years ago. We don't know who's going to be competitive or not, some will be while many will not but political economy will eventually demand re-balancing whether we like it or not.

Every country will have to adopt a mindset of using whatever little leverage they have to get what they want otherwise it might as well be a colony. The US does this, the EU does this, China does this and everybody will do it. The Singapore example you cited doesn't have anything to do with what I'm talking about either, the truth of the matter is that the Malays never really wanted Singapore to be a part of their country in the first place, they simply didn't want a Chinese majority island to dilute their voter base but the PAP pushed for it and the Malays only accepted because they got Sabah and Sarawak as part of the deal. Singapore has done well for itself and it has navigated through its challenges (I'm a huge fan) but governing a city-state is not the same as governing a nation (yes, I know they have problems too).

Nobody is going to be arrogant about anything, it's not sustainable to simply be a market for Chinese goods indefinitely and sooner or later they'll start making demands for industrial investments. If it isn't forth coming then they'll start using whatever leverage they have to make it a reality. You're right, nations don't owe other nations anything that's why I said folks are free to source their raw materials elsewhere, poor countries can weather misery far easier than rich industrial ones.
 
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tygyg1111

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Chinese self-haters in China_irl reddit sub talking about HQ-29. I just couldn't resist sharing this cause its so unbelievable. These self-haters are siblings of Gordon Chang and dominate Reddit. Its hard to believe so many such people exist in China.

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The self haters' tiny balls must also be due to technological advancements
 

GulfLander

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Postal services in India, Europe. U.K. to suspend shipment of packages to U.S. over import tariffs
Postal services in Germany, Denmark, Sweden and Italy said they will stop shipping most merchandise to the U.S. effective immediately. France and Austria will follow Monday, and the United Kingdom Tuesday.
India's government also said the country will temporarily suspend postal deliveries to the United States starting Monday, except letters, documents and gift items of up to $100 in value, the AFP reported.
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Breadbox

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Chinese self-haters in China_irl reddit sub talking about HQ-29. I just couldn't resist sharing this cause its so unbelievable. These self-haters are siblings of Gordon Chang and dominate Reddit. Its hard to believe so many such people exist in China.

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Why even bother posting trash from a trash subreddit. It's not related to any topic except for malding over literal nothing.

They would unironically share the dumbest, most made up stories and the most obvious AI videos of people rioting and hyping themselves over it.

Umm, you are just a PAID BOT for suggesting the obvious AI slop is AI slop! Anyway, here's a video of policedogs literally just sitting on the metro, literally a nothing post but the replies would be severe braindamage along the line of "Butcher dogs could murder kill everyone on the train in minutes, Xjp's legacy would stink for 10000 years."

The caliber of posts there make middle aged Indian aunties' whatsapp group seem like a meeting of worldclass academics. If the western npcs could read Chinese they'd very confused and disheartened by the level of mental illness among the 'good asians'. The type of shit they post would absolutely not fly among the non-mentally ill of any country of any political affliation other than stupid.
 

Ringsword

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Jai Crane!
Crane style kungfu apparently is no match for Tiger style kungfu(especially 7 of them) and this Dunning-Kruger brain addled crane had 2 unbeatable advantages that he didn't use...they're called wings(he should have just flew the f*ck on out of there.)hope he died quickly. :rolleyes:
 

plawolf

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It worked for China. The reason why it isn't working for America is that Americans don't want to and aren't ready to reduce their standard of living in order to re-industrialize. Poorer countries don't have that problem. Furthermore, America has high employment already, many poor countries have high supply of labor. Anyone who thinks automation will somehow lock in industrialization in countries that are already industrialized at the expense of everybody else and keep them in a permanent poverty trap is not thinking seriously. The world will become horrifically unbalanced and so you folks better be ready for illegal migrants crossing borders. Serious governments will start demanding industrial investments otherwise good luck sourcing your raw materials.

China does what China has to do so I guess that's fair. China doesn't get flak because it doesn't have colonial baggage and they aren't evangelical about promoting human rights, democracy, etc. In short, it's much easier to deal with because it doesn't interfere in a country's internal affairs, it just does deals and leaves. China wants commodities to feed it's mighty industry, it will work for as long as it is an alternative to the west and their arrogance with them acting like they're the supreme beings that should dominate everybody. However, a time will come when the world will have to balance itself, folks are not going to accept being permanent importers of Chinese products, local industrial investments will have to be on the table even if it's just basic assembly.

That’s pretty insulting to the hard work and sacrifice of generations of Chinese people to dismiss all of their collective sacrifices and the hardships they endured as just being cheaper labour and having poorer standards of living.

If high unemployment and low standards of living were truly the only ingredients needed for world beating manufacturing, India would be king of light manufacturing already.

Chinese bosses are almost always ruthlessly efficient and profit driven in business decisions. They would not be incurring the additional expenses of taking Chinese workers abroad for projects if local talent was remotely good enough.

On top of that you have entirely different leagues of scaling in terms of market size and industrial potential. It’s no great exaggeration to say that for any random 3rd world country to think they can emulate China and mimic its success is akin to your local corner shop saying it can be the next Amazon or AliExpress or Temu by merely copy pasting their business model and strategy. Even if you do everything exactly the same you cannot remotely compete because of the cosmic size difference.

That is not to say the 3rd world will get a worse deal or even the same shitty deal with China as they currently get from the west. At a minimum China will not seek to rent seek and gate keep to purposefully stunt 3rd world development through predatory finance structures and self-serving exploitative terms masquerading as independent economic advice.

The 3rd world will get a far better deal from China than they could ever dream of from the west, as China will given them fair and even generous win-win deals that benefit all, as opposed to the western min-max-fuck model where the west pays the minimum price possible to extract the maximum amount of profit from the 3rd world and fuck them if they starve as a result.

However, it would also be a grave mistake to take Chinese generosity as weakness and develop a totally unwarranted sense of entitlement that just because China is richer than it somehow owes the 3rd world a better life. Play that kind of bullshit game and be prepared to be annihilated by Chinese competition if not hard power if anyone is delusional enough to think they can just rob China of assets on a national scale and not suffer consequences.

As for your rather telling blackmailing remark about floods of immigrants, well again, that bullshit won’t work with China like it does with the woke west. If you think illegal immigration into China is anything like it is with the west, for your own good, don’t test that theory yourself. Let’s just say China has zero reservations about sending people right back to where they came from. And if you really try China’s patience with repeated attempts, you should be careful what you wish for, as China has a lot of desert and could always use more volunteers to help plant more trees.
 

Africablack

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That’s pretty insulting to the hard work and sacrifice of generations of Chinese people to dismiss all of their collective sacrifices and the hardships they endured as just being cheaper labour and having poorer standards of living.
That's not what I said.

And lol @ the rest of your nationalist nonsense, please sit down. I've heard it all before and nothing will happen. Next.
 

resistance

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Actually, every time India acts up, China inflicts some damage on them and they back off and we're not surrounded.
Then why don't we do it this time when we don't have to face US at the same time?
Who is "we?" China and the US are not "we." Those are the 2 primary countries in the global rivalry so when one wants something, typically, the other wants the reverse. When the US wants to buckle India, China protects them. When the US wants to bolster India, we suppress them.
The buckle US wish to gained is not a threat to china but hurt Indian economy. It's good why shold china suppress?
It's really just to piss Trump off and lock up another one of his misadventures so that he's stuck fighting his own failures. Kick India and it helps Trump. Never help your adversary. We don't give India anything anyway. We didn't unlock rare earth restrictions but India unlocked TikTok and Aliexpress. A little bit of cooperation is a little temporary progress, but keep your eyes on your real enemy, never allow yourself to be distracted by clowns, and never do anything that your enemy wants you to do.
To be fair, trump policies is good for china in long term. If trump secured victory it's better for china than democrats but if trumps failed India will be back to the same after Dem won so use the chance to weaken India futher is better.
China's the most competitive and Russia needed to protect its own industries? I really don't know the circumstances but whether a country is a friend or foe doesn't depend on any cherry-picked event like you're doing now. It depends on the large picture, which is that Russia is fighting China's enemies for us, keeping them off our backs and the Russia economy has turned away from the West towards China. So it's a friend. That's all there is to it. It doesn't matter what kind of small oddly specific bullshit you find, "Oh, in 2022, Russia once rejected a shipment of Chinese apples. DO FRIENDS DO THAT??? THEY TREAT US LIKE ENEMY!" The big picture is all that matters and the big picture says that Russia is very much on China's side right now and they deserve reciprocation.

Russia is fighting 30+ of our enemies at once and you don't want to contribute? You want to extract concessions??!! LOLOL You are dense, man, very very dense. Right now, Russia's fighting for the both of us. China needs to support them like NATO supports Ukraine. I told you this before but it seems you didn't get it. I asked you, what if Russia ends the war? Right now, they can sign a deal with Trump that would give them massive plots of Ukrainian territory and it would let bygones be bygones. Then, Russia can start to reintegrate into the Western economy again and the West can focus on the China threat again. Is that what you want? Is that what you call strategy? That's not what I want. I want China to give Russia the material support to convince it that it should fight for more of Ukraine, amplify the troubles of the West and buy China more time to develop into a titan that none of them can hope to challenge. That is strategy.

China is ready; we do not trust blindly as we have much in reserve that we did not open to Russia. But we are not stupid; we do not let Russia fall so our enemies can focus on us and we certainly do not push countries into the jaws of the West so they can be forced to capitulate and be integrated into the Western empire. When we see cracks in our enemies, we open them, we don't push them together like the US does with China and Russia.
Then to prevent Russia joining west again, you must pressure Russia to gave more concession to china in order to make them more dependent on china by dominate their markets. The war make both Russia and west weak. You can do both by support Russia against 30+ countries while still pressured them to give concession. It's not push them together.
 

fatzergling

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It worked for China. The reason why it isn't working for America is that Americans don't want to and aren't ready to reduce their standard of living in order to re-industrialize. Poorer countries don't have that problem. Furthermore, America has high employment already, many poor countries have high supply of labor. Anyone who thinks automation will somehow lock in industrialization in countries that are already industrialized at the expense of everybody else and keep them in a permanent poverty trap is not thinking seriously. The world will become horrifically unbalanced and so you folks better be ready for illegal migrants crossing borders. Serious governments will start demanding industrial investments otherwise good luck sourcing your raw materials.

China does what China has to do so I guess that's fair. China doesn't get flak because it doesn't have colonial baggage and they aren't evangelical about promoting human rights, democracy, etc. In short, it's much easier to deal with because it doesn't interfere in a country's internal affairs, it just does deals and leaves. China wants commodities to feed it's mighty industry, it will work for as long as it is an alternative to the west and their arrogance with them acting like they're the supreme beings that should dominate everybody. However, a time will come when the world will have to balance itself, folks are not going to accept being permanent importers of Chinese products, local industrial investments will have to be on the table even if it's just basic assembly.
The logical conclusion to this issue is that China will have to create an economic union (you can already see it beginning with OBOR). In this union, China can partition out various jobs and investments based on feasibility/profitability/loyalty etc. The long term goal of this union is to ensure balanced trade, with each nation contributing a little bit and getting goods from China in return. China might not care about the internal political affairs of a country, but it will have to intervene with respect to trade between countries.

As an aside, America was never serious about reindustrialization because of the social consequences accompanying it. One little-talked about reason for dismantling heavy industry in the West was due to the frequent labor militancy of the workers in such industry. By cutting those jobs, the rulers could kill one of the strongest trade unions at that time. Bringing the jobs back will inevitably bring back the unions and militancy.
 

resistance

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Anyone who thinks automation will somehow lock in industrialization in countries that are already industrialized at the expense of everybody else and keep them in a permanent poverty trap is not thinking seriously. The world will become horrifically unbalanced and so you folks better be ready for illegal migrants crossing borders.
Strong border guards, control and deportation can solve that easily no matter how much. With climate change it will not just poor but also starvation.
 
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