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[Randomuser]

India's industrialization pace? India's industrial sector share was around 32% of the GDP in 2011. In 2023, it has declined to around 28%. India's economy may he growing, but it's industrial sector is either stagnating or declining relative to it's economy. India's FDI in 2025 had declined 96% from 2024. These are not signs of a rising manufacturing power.

India just doesn't pass the eye test for me. Make in India? How many products on our shelves today are actually made in India? Negligible. Demographic dividend? Indian youths are climbing over each other to apply for scarce positions in the government sector. India had been busier exporting migrant labour than attracting FDI. Indian education? Since Modi took power, it has become a joke. They are replacing periodic tables in school classrooms with Hindu holy cow science. Religious fanaticism reigns supreme in India, dividing societies and rejecting science. Indian society is essentially regressing into the middle ages.

So while the Indian demographic dividend fantasizes about becoming Supapowar conquerors, China is rapidly developing automation to take on lower-end manufacturing. The majority of the manufacturing that is moving out of China is not going to India. India have failed to develop the human capital to compete against ASEAN, let alone China. By screwing around with China, the final window for India to catch the industrialization train has effectively closed.

So India have just missed out on industrialization. Their arrogant foreign policy have pissed off half the world. Their patrons in the Global North are also getting sick and tired of them. The India in the 2030s could look very different from today. However, is it gonna be the same India that the Jai Hinds are fantasizing about?

Despite how annoying Modi and his BJP goons are, I support them remaining in power.

Them remaining in power benefits China thanks to their idiotic behavior. They are also helping screw over the west. These attitudes displayed by them and their followers are taking the heat off China while also screwing over India in actual reality as opposed to "media headlines".

Also lets not forget, this psyche that India has isn't solely BJP stuff. Was the BJP in power when India annexed Sikkim, Hyderabad and countless other territories? Was the BJP in power when India tried to attack China in 1962 and got its ass kicked? Indian elites all have this supremist mindset. Aldous Huxley has written that their mentality they had a century ago isn't much different from today. Its just the BJP are saying the quiet part out loud. Congress would be more quiet which means we wouldn't know about how India really thinks until its far too late.

Thank you for your services Modi ji.

 

[pmc]

Doesn't Russia have a labor shortage? What's the point of demanding products be made in Russia if they don't have enough workers?

That Arab flag that most often comes during these Ukraine exchanges is sign of confidence on Russia demographics. Last week was Qatar. This week is UAE . Saudi work on much higher level. They give feedback on every thing. thats the whole point of increase interactions with Royals.
The abrupt changes that happens in Russia policy because Putin or who ever dealing with issue not fully comprehend soft power initially. If specific about Trucks than Kamaz is Tatarstan product and they are about to enter Car EV business. Aurus would not be successful if it does not have Tatarstan. If Russia collapse auto sales through high interest rate than time will come that Russia will need newer vehicles so better deal with pent up demand with domestic manufacturing.
Ideal Russian economy is manufacturing super power that not only utilize resources inside Russia but also suck up resources from countries like Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan. Close down this raw material business for all.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1959623396045496583

 

[Africablack]

Yes they could. Then these countries shouldn't have ambitions about competing in the world export market. Their manufacturing will be severely behind the curve. Foreign companies will be selling products made by automation. The competition is gonna be ruthless.

Perhaps, but unless these producer nations have all the raw materials they need to produce the goods they plan to export and the domestic market to absorb their goods then they better be ready to invest in local industrial investment in some of these countries.

 

[iewgnem]

Automation is not the scare many people think it. Countries can still mandate that products have to be made in their countries for market access.

This is a common fallacy from countries that don't manufacture anything.
People take for granted what they can buy from China, without any understanding of the depth of complexity that goes into making them.
They then convince themselves they can make it themselves, it might just be more expensive, which can be simply solved by tariffs.
But reality is they have no idea how deep the supply chain goes, they have no idea how many other things they need to make first, what they need to make to make those other things first, what materials are needed to make them, what tools they need to make those materials, and this repeats for dozens and dozens of layers even for the simplest products.

The fundamentally logical fallacy is the false belief that China is simply the most competitive manufacturer, when the truth is China CREATED the world we live in, that the world we live in could never have existed without China, and the world we live in would cease to exist without China.

 

[plawolf]

Automation is not the scare many people think it. Countries can still mandate that products have to be made in their countries for market access.

How’s that working out for America? Is it winning the trade war?

China is not some heartless new Imperium hell bent on world domination. It can be reasoned with, especially if you approach it openly and in good faith as an equal, or even smaller power. China is the only major power that consistently gives weaker, smaller nations an advantage in fair deals reached between equals.

But if you try to impose your own terms on China as some white colonialist master wannabe like India does, then you will be in for a hell of a bad time.

 

[Africablack]

How’s that working out for America? Is it winning the trade war?

China is not some heartless new Imperium hell bent on world domination. It can be reasoned with, especially if you approach it openly and in good faith as an equal, or even smaller power. China is the only major power that consistently gives weaker, smaller nations an advantage in fair deals reached between equals.

But if you try to impose your own terms on China as some white colonialist master wannabe like India does, then you will be in for a hell of a bad time.

It worked for China. The reason why it isn't working for America is that Americans don't want to and aren't ready to reduce their standard of living in order to re-industrialize. Poorer countries don't have that problem. Furthermore, America has high employment already, many poor countries have high supply of labor. Anyone who thinks automation will somehow lock in industrialization in countries that are already industrialized at the expense of everybody else and keep them in a permanent poverty trap is not thinking seriously. The world will become horrifically unbalanced and so you folks better be ready for illegal migrants crossing borders. Serious governments will start demanding industrial investments otherwise good luck sourcing your raw materials.

China does what China has to do so I guess that's fair. China doesn't get flak because it doesn't have colonial baggage and they aren't evangelical about promoting human rights, democracy, etc. In short, it's much easier to deal with because it doesn't interfere in a country's internal affairs, it just does deals and leaves. China wants commodities to feed it's mighty industry, it will work for as long as it is an alternative to the west and their arrogance with them acting like they're the supreme beings that should dominate everybody. However, a time will come when the world will have to balance itself, folks are not going to accept being permanent importers of Chinese products, local industrial investments will have to be on the table even if it's just basic assembly.

 

[horse]

What changed? Only thing I can see is that Made in India was announced in 2014, fast forward a decade later, manufactering is still only 14% of India's economy and India's own demographic dividend is starting to disappear. That's on top of the current tariffs Trump has levied on the country.

I could be wrong on this, probably am, but I really thought that the percentage of the population working the land to survive had gone up over these years.

I think I remember it was 40% then it declined to somewhere in 35% maybe, but when I checked a few months ago, the Indian government said 42% of the population was still living off the land.

The Industrial Revolution was over a 100 years ago. That passed India by. They call that the first industrial revolution.

The second industrial revolution was basically the developments in manufacturing during the post war boom. That was when material wealth really accelerated in the Western countries, lifting their people into higher standards of living, such as modern life as we know it today, started from that era. The second industrial revolution basically passed India by too. It also pass on by China, with the Great Proletariat Cultural Revolution that got in the way.

The third industrial revolution so they call it was basically was the internet and vast increases in computing power that was affordable, changing society and the means of production. This internet revolution basically passed on by India, except for a few companies. The point about the previous industrial revolution was that it lifted almost all of the people in a country out of a poorer condition to a richer condition. That did not happen in India. As for China, this is where they got into the game and became a player.

The fourth industrial revolution, let's call it AI and robotics, since it is ongoing was we watch the world go by, clearly there are only two countries duking it out, and one seems have a lead in the latter, and probably equal in the former, for now at least.

China took full advantage of the third industrial revolution, transforming itself. It missed the bus for the first and second, due to various historical reasons. Seems to me, India missed the bus for all three. They could not transform their society, as 42% of the people still living off the land.

This next industrial revolution of AI and robotics, is the game being played here, to industrialized for today, means the factory has to be competitive, which means it needs AI and robotics. The AI part, everyone has DeepSeek, so in a way there is a level playing field. The robotics require precision parts, which India lacks.

So, it is not nice to say, but I am convinced India will miss the bus again for the fourth industrial revolution. Sure, there will be some successful India companies, but the point of when we that about industrialization we cannot escape history, which is the industrial revolutions and its impact on society which lifted people into higher standards of living.

That is India. They got to do something for themselves, instead of trying to have everyone leave the country. First, second, third, fourth, industrial revolution, they got to try to get into the game!

But, no. All we hear is yap yap yap, about nothing!

[rant][/rant]

My apologies. Once I started with the industrial revolution talk, the rant ranted off on it own! LOL!

 

[Sardaukar20]

Perhaps, but unless these producer nations have all the raw materials they need to produce the goods they plan to export and the domestic market to absorb their goods then they better be ready to invest in local industrial investment in some of these countries.

These countries that sell with raw materials can demand all the industrial investments that they want. They can even force foreign companies buying their natural resources to setup local industries and employ their people. But that will still not automatically make their manufacturing competitive to the international market.

I would caution against this mindset of "we have the natural resources, therefore we have the power". This is a mindset that breeds mediocrity. There is one such example in SEA. That nation is blessed with oil, gas, minerals, timber, and marine resources. The people of this nation praise to the heavens everyday for blessing them with these resources. At some point, they kicked out an island on the south of this nation because they don't like the majority race of the people living there. That newborn little island nation only had mangrove swamps and negligible natural resources. While the blessed nation can easily make tons of money from the fat of their land, their new tiny neighbour had no choice but to rely on their bare hands and wits to make a living. Fast forward decades later, the blessed country had grown, but it remains a middle income third-world economy. It's industries are uncompetitive, and it had fallen deep into the middle income trap. Their tiny neighbour to the south whom they had abandoned and ridiculed have instead managed to transform itself into a first world economy.

Post-colonial third world nations are right to be grateful to be blessed with rich natural resources. But they should not get ahead of themselves and start becoming arrogant about it. They don't owe the industrialized nations anything. And the industrialized nations can chose where they wanna invest too.

 

[Sardaukar20]

Despite how annoying Modi and his BJP goons are, I support them remaining in power.

Them remaining in power benefits China thanks to their idiotic behavior. They are also helping screw over the west. These attitudes displayed by them and their followers are taking the heat off China while also screwing over India in actual reality as opposed to "media headlines".

Also lets not forget, this psyche that India has isn't solely BJP stuff. Was the BJP in power when India annexed Sikkim, Hyderabad and countless other territories? Was the BJP in power when India tried to attack China in 1962 and got its ass kicked? Indian elites all have this supremist mindset. Aldous Huxley has written that their mentality they had a century ago isn't much different from today. Its just the BJP are saying the quiet part out loud. Congress would be more quiet which means we wouldn't know about how India really thinks until its far too late.

Thank you for your services Modi ji.

Don't get me wrong. I love Modiji and his BJP Supapowar crowd. India is an adversary nation of China, and they are doing wonders in sabotaging India's future. They have also helped to open China's eye about India's false promises. A side effect of Modiji and his BJP is that they also provide me with endless entertainment.

I'm very grateful to Modiji and his Vishwaguru vision for Supapowar Bharat. Jai Hind!

 

[Randomuser]

This is a common fallacy from countries that don't manufacture anything.
People take for granted what they can buy from China, without any understanding of the depth of complexity that goes into making them.
They then convince themselves they can make it themselves, it might just be more expensive, which can be simply solved by tariffs.
But reality is they have no idea how deep the supply chain goes, they have no idea how many other things they need to make first, what they need to make to make those other things first, what materials are needed to make them, what tools they need to make those materials, and this repeats for dozens and dozens of layers even for the simplest products.

The fundamentally logical fallacy is the false belief that China is simply the most competitive manufacturer, when the truth is China CREATED the world we live in, that the world we live in could never have existed without China, and the world we live in would cease to exist without China.

Its not exactly hidden but some business owner openly stated he does manufacturing in China coz everything is already there. The entire supply chain can be placed in a few provinces where everything is close by. The costs are relatively cheap so when you combine that with an ideal supply chain, you don't wanna move. The idea people will just pack up and go to save some costs is easier said than done. I think they tried doing that with India and realize they can't make the components. So now they just do the assembly and final stage stuff there while leaving the harder component building etc to China. As long as it still qualifies as "made in India" to avoid tariffs, its all good.

I could be wrong on this, probably am, but I really thought that the percentage of the population working the land to survive had gone up over these years.

I think I remember it was 40% then it declined to somewhere in 35% maybe, but when I checked a few months ago, the Indian government said 42% of the population was still living off the land.

The Industrial Revolution was over a 100 years ago. That passed India by. They call that the first industrial revolution.

The second industrial revolution was basically the developments in manufacturing during the post war boom. That was when material wealth really accelerated in the Western countries, lifting their people into higher standards of living, such as modern life as we know it today, started from that era. The second industrial revolution basically passed India by too. It also pass on by China, with the Great Proletariat Cultural Revolution that got in the way.

The third industrial revolution so they call it was basically was the internet and vast increases in computing power that was affordable, changing society and the means of production. This internet revolution basically passed on by India, except for a few companies. The point about the previous industrial revolution was that it lifted almost all of the people in a country out of a poorer condition to a richer condition. That did not happen in India. As for China, this is where they got into the game and became a player.

The fourth industrial revolution, let's call it AI and robotics, since it is ongoing was we watch the world go by, clearly there are only two countries duking it out, and one seems have a lead in the latter, and probably equal in the former, for now at least.

China took full advantage of the third industrial revolution, transforming itself. It missed the bus for the first and second, due to various historical reasons. Seems to me, India missed the bus for all three. They could not transform their society, as 42% of the people still living off the land.

This next industrial revolution of AI and robotics, is the game being played here, to industrialized for today, means the factory has to be competitive, which means it needs AI and robotics. The AI part, everyone has DeepSeek, so in a way there is a level playing field. The robotics require precision parts, which India lacks.

So, it is not nice to say, but I am convinced India will miss the bus again for the fourth industrial revolution. Sure, there will be some successful India companies, but the point of when we that about industrialization we cannot escape history, which is the industrial revolutions and its impact on society which lifted people into higher standards of living.

That is India. They got to do something for themselves, instead of trying to have everyone leave the country. First, second, third, fourth, industrial revolution, they got to try to get into the game!

But, no. All we hear is yap yap yap, about nothing!

[rant][/rant]

My apologies. Once I started with the industrial revolution talk, the rant ranted off on it own! LOL!

Reminds me of my post a while back.

Things have not gotten better. In fact they have gotten worse since Trump decided to Tarff India 50% and is demanding India let in outsiders for agriculture. So when you see all those farmers in India protesting against Trump and tariffs so intensely, now you can see why. Attacking the very stressed agriculture sector in India really hits a nerve there.