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While I don't have anything against India, they're coming off as delusional. It's a state that has an inflated view of itself, and, like Trump and the current version of the U.S., it wants every benefit and no responsibilities. India wants to be a neutral state, but it also wants to be a superpower at the same time, you can't do both. They want to play superpower games and throw around their weight, but when the heat gets turned up they'll run behind neutrality as if it will save them. When you're a small player with no enemies you can be neutral, when you have enemies, rivals, etc., you'll have to navigate the treacherous path of geopolitics and pick friends, allies, and learn to deal with adversaries.
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This is true. It's always easy to blame the immigrants than to work on self improvement. This disease is not exclusive to white Western societies.
In Malaysia, too many from the Malay majority have that same mindset. After decades of enjoying generous affirmative action by the government, they still couldn't compete with the Chinese and Indians in business and the corporate world. They are so incompetent but demanding that they are also losing blue collar jobs to immigrants from South Asia and SEA. Now they blame the government for letting in too many immigrants for low collar jobs. They can't study hard enough to compete in business and professional fields. They can't be disciplined nor humble enough to work in blue collar fields. Yet the Malay supremacists are always demanding the government to confiscate business and properties from the non-Malays to distribute to them. Or they threaten to initiate pogroms. Entitlement and stupidity is unfortunately not only exclusive to the West.
I believe that's what China is doing right now. Taking full advantage of India's desperation to extract some level cooperation. At least while it lasts.
I would add that the Indians don't just hate China for the Sino-Pak alliance, it actually goes beyond that. The Indian elites and the Hindutvas think that they are the new colonial power in Asia after the Europeans. Their 1962 war predates the Sino-Pak border agreements and eventual alliance. The Indians have always wanted to colonize Xizang (Tibet), and have never let go of that delusion. To them China, like Pakistan is another powerful enemy nation who stands in their way to colonize South Asia and beyond.
The Indians will eventually turn on the Chinese again as soon as their Akhand Bharat ambitions reemerge. By that time, the Chinese will be more than ready to dump and punish them again.
I noticed no one is reporting this. Where's Reddit and their constant yapping about Taiwan Good, China bad? Bunch of cowards constantly talking before this but don't have the balls to remain after the results. Thats why I don't pay attention as much these days to such commentators coz they are simply cheerleaders with no real stake at hand.
India can try. Then it can return to its original form where it was balkanized. Its probably for the benefits of its own people as well as neighbours seeing how they cannot really stand each other under one country.
They keep talking about splitting China up forgetting their own country looks like this.
If India splits up back into several countries, some of them may become even more hostile to China.
A broken up India is a no longer a threat, cause they will mostly fight amongst themselves. Even if one portion is hostile, China's overwhelming military power will keep them inline.
Nothing a bit of divide on conquer can't solve. Its how China dealt with Mongols and the related people. Hell thats how everyone sort of dealt with India back in the day.
It might sound harsh but India hasn't exactly shown kindness towards China so there's no need to hold back when ball is in its court.
Also remember in this hypothetical scenario, India asked for it. It wasn't forced to make such decisions, yet it did so on its own free will. When you do this, you should be prepared to accept the possible negative consequences instead of trying to play victim even though you started the fight in the first place. Such a mentality is showing lack of responsibility.
Slowing growth in China-Russia trade is not necessarily a sign of trouble between the two. That rapid growth in trade for the last few years was largely because Chinese businesses were filling up a gaping hole left behind by Western businesses. The Russian economy is roughly around size of Spain or Brazil. So at some point, that growth is gonna hit a ceiling. The market will eventually reach oversaturation and the Russian government will be compelled to take steps to protect it's local industries. This should be understandable from China's point of view. If we want China to force Russia to just accept more trade to the point of damaging its own economy, then why is China any different from those Western colonial powers? We must see things from this context and not just jump on any sensationalism by China and Russia haters.
Russia have sold submarines to China in the past. It's just that they don't sell their nuclear subs, which is understandable. I don't deny that Russia did backstab China many times in the past when it comes to joint weapons development. The Chinese nuclear weapons program and J7 program were examples. Having said that, we cannot deny that Russia at the very least have given China some foundational technology to build it's own nukes, subs, and fighter jets. Unlike many nations who had received Russian technology like that so-called Supapowar, China was able to learn and master these technologies for itself. Looking at the state of Russia's navy and shipbuilding capacity today, Russia is in no position to sell submarines to China. They can barely even replenish their navy, let alone export submarines to China.
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Actually Russia could be exporting diesel subs. It is just that no one wants them.
In terms of diesel subs they already produced twelve 636.3 Kilos and one 677 Lada. Maybe they need eleven more diesel subs.
Sevmash is also operating below top capacity in terms of nuclear subs.
And stop with the stupid comments that Russia has an economy the size of Spain. Their GDP PPP is 4th in the world similar to Japan.
It is just ridiculous on its face to compare both economies. Try comparing electricity consumption or steel production.
Russia would be importing more from China if they were exporting more. There are also bottlenecks in trade which require infrastructure to be built. And finally consumption in Russia is depressed because of the high interest rates.
Next year maybe the interest rates will come down in Russia and consumer spending will increase again. But to really increase exports to Russia, China would need to increase imports of natural gas, oil, or whatever.
Russia needs to build new gas and oil pipelines to China. IMHO current pipeline capacity should be doubled. But that is taking a long time to negotiate with China.
Then there is rail transport. But a lot of people don't know there are huge mountain chains dividing European Russia from the Far East. Tunneling through those is time consuming and expensive.
In terms of diesel subs they already produced twelve 636.3 Kilos and one 677 Lada. Maybe they need eleven more diesel subs.
Sevmash is also operating below top capacity in terms of nuclear subs.
And stop with the stupid comments that Russia has an economy the size of Spain. Their GDP PPP is 4th in the world similar to Japan.
It is just ridiculous on its face to compare both economies. Try comparing electricity consumption or steel production.
Russia would be importing more from China if they were exporting more. There are also bottlenecks in trade which require infrastructure to be built. And finally consumption in Russia is depressed because of the high interest rates.
Next year maybe the interest rates will come down in Russia and consumer spending will increase again. But to really increase exports to Russia, China would need to increase imports of natural gas, oil, or whatever.
Russia needs to build new gas and oil pipelines to China. IMHO current pipeline capacity should be doubled. But that is taking a long time to negotiate with China.
Then there is rail transport. But a lot of people don't know there are huge mountain chains dividing European Russia from the Far East. Tunneling through those is time consuming and expensive.
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I'm not called for return trump on something. It's a rare opertunity to inflicted damage on India without being surround. Taco don knows that we can retaliated but India can't. So we must seized the opertunity
Tell me What can India offered as a temporarily allies then? Go to macros? And India will definitely back to America again once America satisfied whether we kick it or not. Don't be so naive.
Tell you what, even before the sanction, Russia didn't imposed such restrictions on Japanese or European firms when they also dominate as well. Why did Chinese get that? Why not regulated it without selectively on Chinese firm only
I didn't called for hampering their war progress. I advocate for extracting concession for china but allowed Russia to go on uninterrupted, how would it be alienating Russia? Russia also member Wassenaar Arrangement so china must prepared for Russia joining west one day no matter how hard china tried to maintain friendship with Russia anyways.
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