The relation between China and the neighboring country

[Expert1324]

Yeah of course. If we take as equals, stealing the resources of Africa for example and performing multiple genocides with implications till nowdays by Europeans and helping African people to regain control on their territories and kick out colonialists by USSR. That is your way of thinking which is indeed laughable

USSR committed multiple genocides against many different groups of people, and not to forget, against many Chinese people as well. They invaded China on multiple occasions and stolen tons of territories, territories bigger than most countries. They also supported separatist movements to balkanize China, and funding terrorist movements in Xinjiang. The birth of "ETIM" terrorist movement is one of their creations against China. All these crimes are just against China alone and we are not even talking about their other expansionisms and genocidal treatment of people in Afganistan, Eastern Europe, Central Asia, Caucasus etc. Their imperialisms and crimes are countless.

And how does European's colonialism and crimes against humanity prove that USSR isn't an imperialist and coloniser as well??? Those are 2 completely irrelevant things so please use some logic. Not to mention USSR have a direct interest to kick out European influence in africa too and establish their own influence. If the roles are reversed, European powers would no doubt also help out many "independent movements" in Africa to kick out the USSR. Would you suddenly say the Europeans are good people for just acting in their own interests?

Even if the Europeans are the No.1 colonisers and imperialist, that still makes USSR the number 2 coloniser and imperialst, which is still absolutely reprehensible and disgusting. As I already said: any people today who still deny that the USSR were in fact an imperialist force are extremely laughable.

 

[Expert1324]

Current day security and economic concerns trumps past history. During the 20th century, the biggest fear of British and American strategists was the unification of German industry with Russian resources. If a single state that comprised of both Germany and Russia were to emerge, such a state would have the power to dominate the entirety of Europe (and Asia) while rendering British and American maritime power completely impotent. China's biggest strength is its manufacturing capability, and it's largest vulnerability is dependence on maritime trade routes to bring in the vast amounts of resources needed to feed its industrial behemoth. On the other hand, Russia control vast expanses of land rich in energy, minerals, and other resources needed for industry, but lack the ability to manufacture the full range of modern day industrial and consumer goods that is own industry and society requires. Thus a perfect economic synergy exists between Russia and China economically. Furthermore, Russia and the Central Asian states form the northern portion of the BRI, which enables China to access not only the resources of these countries, but also allows China to access the markets of Europe, the Middle East, and Africa solely via secure overland trade routes.

Blessed in terms of natural geography, natural barriers protect much of China from invasion. The two historical routes of invasion into China proper were from the North or from the sea. A non-friendly Russia would necessitate the allocation of a substantial amount of resources to defending against invasion from the North, as was the case during the 1970s. Having a friendly Russia along the northern border allows China to focus its attention and resources solely on the maritime invasion route, mainly through building up its navy and long range air force. Likewise, friendly relations with China allows Russia to focus entirely on its Western borders, and frees up Russian military resources from the Eastern military districts.

Chinese should never forget history: the loss of the territories of Northern Manchuria, Mongolia, and Tannu Tuva, and the atrocities committed against Chinese peasants in Manchuria. These events should serve as a reminder of what happens to a nation that has become weak and backwards and powerless to defend itself. However, past historical mistakes should never get in the way of current security and economic needs.

Thanks for your comment.

This post where I explained and list out most of the crimes and unequal treaties Russia/USSR did to us and them looting our treasures
AND
This post where I reiterate it
are both my replies to your comments. (Please do read them as most people don't even read what I said and straight away either criticise me or glaze Russia blindly while ignoring their despicable crimes against us, which I think is really sad and pathetic)

Basically my conclusions is this: Russia/USSR invaded us many times, stolen our lands even more than what you had listed, genocided our people and one of the core participants of the century of humiliation. So I definitely agree with you that their crimes should never be forgotten.

But I also do believe that it is possible to take back what is lost if given enough time. Especially with more tech developments and the attrition of Russia. I believe that Russia should be dealt with regardless and it should just be a matter of when, even if we are talking about centuries into the future.

 

[manqiangrexue]

Thanks for your comment.

This post where I explained and list out most of the crimes and unequal treaties Russia/USSR did to us and them looting our treasures
AND
This post where I reiterate it
are both my replies to your comments. (Please do read them as most people don't even read what I said and straight away either criticise me or glaze Russia blindly while ignoring their despicable crimes against us, which I think is really sad and pathetic)

Basically my conclusions is this: Russia/USSR invaded us many times, stolen our lands even more than what you had listed, genocided our people and one of the core participants of the century of humiliation. So I definitely agree with you that their crimes should never be forgotten.

But I also do believe that it is possible to take back what is lost if given enough time. Especially with more tech developments and the attrition of Russia. I believe that Russia should be dealt with regardless and it should just be a matter of when, even if we are talking about centuries into the future.

Once again, the past is the past. As long as Russia continues to be a modern partner of China fighting against the forces that aim to prevent China's rise, China will never initiate hostilities against Russia. We do not aim to take anything back or revisit the past as long as they remain aligned with China.

 

[2handedswordsman]

Ok you have a kind of narrative, but you have to go little deeper if you want a clear view. As far as i can see yours' a bit biased. I don't know why. Sino-Soviet split happened after the infamous Koshygin reforms (1956). It was an ideological battle, endocommunist, where PRC accused USSR for betrayal of the Communist cause with such market reforms. Which was of course based. Leftists are known about their tedency to fight each other on theoretical issues, a bit o pharisaism i could note, ending in bloody conflicts some times. Before that we have to mention that even there was bit of mistrust between Stalin and Mao (happens when big egos come together), USSR was the first country to recognise PRC, to defend it in UN and is responsible to the biggest effort of transfer of technology humanity had ever witnessed. Thousands of Soviet technicians went to PRC along with tons of machinery and along with CHinese people set up more than 1500 factories which set the foundations of China's modern transformation. Thats their Imperialism. What happen after is wrong by both sides and is a black page at the history of communist movement along with Yugo-Soviet split. PRC who accused USSR for being reformist, went crazy on reforms, but anyway as you can see the story of "Soviet Imperialism" is way too deep and complicated than your superficial reading. Were they Imperialist in Korea? in Vietnam? in Cuba? Ok on Cuba you can say something...After the Cuban revolution, the USSR made a different policy than before, they din't push for industrialisation and economic independence, but Cuba to be dependent for machinery and other industrial products for sugar and other agricultural products. That mistake cost the productive base of Cuba and the inability to recover from the collapse of the USSR under us embargo . As for Afghanistan, as i remember USSR went after the democratically elected government asked them for. Am i wrong? Of course there are black pages at the history book of Soviet Union but accusing them for being Imperialist, equal though to collective west is way to far...b*tch please! Albania's Enver Hohxa alligned with Mao those times, accused USSR for being Social-imperialist based on Marxist-Leninist critique but it's surely pointed from a totally different perspective than yours.

 

[wuguanhui]

Russia has nuclear weapons. Yes they are bad people. But they are bad people with nuclear weapons. How many body bags are with that frozen shithole worth when even the current inhabitants of Dongbei don't want to live there?

But I also do believe that it is possible to take back what is lost if given enough time. Especially with more tech developments and the attrition of Russia. I believe that Russia should be dealt with regardless and it should just be a matter of when, even if we are talking about centuries into the future.

Delusional masturbatory wishful thinking. It's also possible to annex the US, especially with more masturbatory tech developments, centuries in the future that is.