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pmc

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Don't disagree with you, but UAC could certainly benefit from a CAPEX injection from our Bharati bhais so they may refine the Su-57 into an indisputable, if not legitimate 5th gen fighter.
I dont think Russia need any money from India nor it will share what they consider high tech. see this happy face meeting about AI with a banker. this latest upgrade of Su-57 is an AI. This how you get info about advancements. they put face on specific topic.
The Combat Approved on youtube few years ago mentioned that upgraded MIG-31 is fully cleared for Mach 3 missile launches at 70K feet. Su-57 few dozen aircraft per year it will get best components and material science upgrades (They already call it 5.5G fighter) which Ukraine is now discovering from Onyx missile strikes thinking it a hypersonic.

 

gelgoog

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The Su-57M is already being developed without Indian money. At best the Indians could help pay for an expansion of Su-57 production capacity.

I expect the Su-57M to have GaN on SiC radar, the AL-51 engine, electromechanical actuators instead of hydraulics, better AI, AR HMD, large single piece glass cockpit, R-77M, air launched drones. And eventually the internally carried long range missile aka Product 810 and new short range missile aka Product 300M.

While the Su-57 was initially built with somewhat older technology as a stopgap measure in some cases, like the engines, the Su-57M should match or surpass the other 5th gens in most if not all metrics.
 
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Soldier30

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Russian units received Ulan army buggy pickups, created on the chassis of the Niva SUV. Who makes it is not reported. The vehicle is equipped with a cargo compartment, the cargo can be placed on the hood. In the cabin of the all-terrain vehicle, you can see sockets and USB ports for charging various equipment. The Ulan front-line buggy is already used to deliver military personnel and ammunition, the first reviews are positive. Perhaps these vehicles will replace the Chinese buggies in the army, which we previously wrote about.

 

sangye

Junior Member
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Russian units received Ulan army buggy pickups, created on the chassis of the Niva SUV. Who makes it is not reported. The vehicle is equipped with a cargo compartment, the cargo can be placed on the hood. In the cabin of the all-terrain vehicle, you can see sockets and USB ports for charging various equipment. The Ulan front-line buggy is already used to deliver military personnel and ammunition, the first reviews are positive. Perhaps these vehicles will replace the Chinese buggies in the army, which we previously wrote about.
Straight out of sieged Stalingrad
 

mack8

Junior Member
The Su-57M is already being developed without Indian money. At best the Indians could help pay for an expansion of Su-57 production capacity.

I expect the Su-57M to have GaN on SiC radar, the AL-51 engine, electromechanical actuators instead of hydraulics, better AI, AR HMD, large single piece glass cockpit, R-77M, air launched drones. And eventually the internally carried long range missile aka Product 810 and new short range missile aka Product 300M.

While the Su-57 was initially built with somewhat older technology as a stopgap measure in some cases, like the engines, the Su-57M should match or surpass the other 5th gens in most if not all metrics.
Based on info trickling over the years, it looks highly likely that the series Su-57 was operational from day one with R-87/Izd.180 (what is called by some R-77M, now seen on Su-35 too), R-97/Izd.810 LRAAM and R-74M2. The missiles not yet seen to date are the mysterious R-47/Izd.270 which could be a Meteorski or maybe something else, and the Izd.300M. It is entirely possible that all the new missiles are compatible with serial Su-57 from day one. The awaited next big change is the AL-51F engine which it is said will appear on serial Su-57 soon. I kinda lost track of what avionics updates are planned, also not clear if the current N-036 is GaAs or GaN, but presumably fitting more modern modules, be it GaN or GaNS is the next radar hardware upgrade.
 

sheogorath

Colonel
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I do find it hilarious that India left the PAK-FA project because it was taking to long, hagling over access to systems integration and costing too much. They started the AMCA program instead for which they don't have something that isn't a powerpoint presentation let alone a prototype and now with the possibility of PAF's J-35 on the horizon, they are faced with the prospect of getting Su-57's as a customer instead of a partner, with even less access to systems, inputs and future updates from the Su-57M program.
 

Atomicfrog

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Doesn’t make a lot of sense. The airframe may be still good for another 20 years.
Most of the cost are the electronics and engines. Airframes are probably not more than one third of the cost.

Old ones with good airframe time could still be used for spare parts, training and reserve.
 

pmc

Colonel
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The Su-57M is already being developed without Indian money. At best the Indians could help pay for an expansion of Su-57 production capacity.

I expect the Su-57M to have GaN on SiC radar, the AL-51 engine, electromechanical actuators instead of hydraulics, better AI, AR HMD, large single piece glass cockpit, R-77M, air launched drones. And eventually the internally carried long range missile aka Product 810 and new short range missile aka Product 300M.

While the Su-57 was initially built with somewhat older technology as a stopgap measure in some cases, like the engines, the Su-57M should match or surpass the other 5th gens in most if not all metrics.

There are antiship missiles also part of Su-57. this barely visible on radar. Jamming and electronic warfare. this usually associated with GaN. real time data sharing. (those 5G antenna, base stations are GaN) this is before SU-57M.
R&D implementation is on average ten times faster that according to Shoigu.
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The Russian Ministry of Defense indicated on its Telegram channel that the Su-57 is designed to destroy various types of air, ground, and sea targets.
Another of the aircraft's most distinctive features is its extremely small radar signature, making it barely visible to radar.
 

zyklon

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I dont think Russia need any money from India nor it will share what they consider high tech.

An abundance of capital totally must be why the annual production rate for the Su-57 is a fraction of — if not an order of magnitude below — that of the F-35 or J-20. :rolleyes:

Su-57 few dozen aircraft per year it will get best components and material science upgrades (They already call it 5.5G fighter) which Ukraine is now discovering from Onyx missile strikes thinking it a hypersonic.

Thank you for acknowledging one of at least a few areas where the Su-57 must improve to be considered a 5th gen fighter without an asterisk* or minus- sign. :cool:
 
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