On the contrary there is no good reason to acknowledge those stupid takes on this forum, and I am certainly not opposed to moderating it in the sense of directly banning such low effort posts and ragebait here.
2025 Victory Day parade thread (workup, 3rd Sept)
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On the contrary there is no good reason to acknowledge those stupid takes on this forum, and I am certainly not opposed to moderating it in the sense of directly banning such low effort posts and ragebait here.
I think we are in agreement.
Shilao: The Americans are working on Mako and C-HGB, trying to catch up with the PLA using not advanced methods & performance, and they haven't succeeded yet. After a month, they will see some crazy things that will make them realize that the gap is even widening.
Yankee: Americans say Russia's air-breathing and bi-conical hypersonic missiles are barbaric, so they have to develop HGV as a smart/civilized/elegant/whatever way of countermeasure. The PLA's bi-conical and HGV hypersonic missiles are barbaric, so they're developing HACM as a countermeasure. What if the PLA just show air-breathing hypersonic a month later? Then Who's barbaric? Who's civilized?
Yankee: Americans say Russia's air-breathing and bi-conical hypersonic missiles are barbaric, so they have to develop HGV as a smart/civilized/elegant/whatever way of countermeasure. The PLA's bi-conical and HGV hypersonic missiles are barbaric, so they're developing HACM as a countermeasure. What if the PLA just show air-breathing hypersonic a month later? Then Who's barbaric? Who's civilized?
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Basically tonight they again reinforced the message from previous stream: DF-27 will not be the only hypersonic weapon on display this time
They said things are advancing so fast that DF-17 is now considered to be no longer worthy of being included in parades.
Yankee told an amusing story that after DF-17 went into service, the brass looked at its stats and concluded that it was "too accurate" for its own good. Their logic was this degree of accuracy isn't really needed and if that criteria was loosened then perhaps a less accurate but cheaper alternative DF-17 could have resulted and be even more suitable for even larger scale production.
They said things are advancing so fast that DF-17 is now considered to be no longer worthy of being included in parades.
Yankee told an amusing story that after DF-17 went into service, the brass looked at its stats and concluded that it was "too accurate" for its own good. Their logic was this degree of accuracy isn't really needed and if that criteria was loosened then perhaps a less accurate but cheaper alternative DF-17 could have resulted and be even more suitable for even larger scale production.
It explains why the DF-17 was revealed in the Army Day documentary. If it is not exposed again, it will have no chance to attract attention. Just like the J-20S to the J-36
Speaking of which, Mako is meant to be deployable on smaller aerial platforms (i.e. fighters).
Hopefully, we can see what China's counterpart(s) to the Mako is/are like. The PLAAF and PLANAF would have vastly expanded hypersonic strike options available to them (J-16, J-15, J-20, J-35/A, 6th-gens and UCAVs), instead of having to rely solely on the H-6K/J/Ns.
The strike range and speed penalties compared to larger, more "proper" hypersonic missiles are, of course, pretty evident and to be expected (<<1000 kilometers, low-hypersonic speeds). Despite the shortcomings, the deployment flexibility and versatility of such missiles cannot be overstated.
The DF-17 (or specifically, the DF-ZF HGV) would've had its overall design largely frozen no latter than the early-2010s, given its purported first flight in 2014. There has been about a decade or more of further development works taking place since then.
With this in mind, we shouldn't be surprised if there's already a successor to the DF-17 that's well in the works, if not about to enter service with the PLARF. Personally, I do kinda anticipate/hope for this to realise within the next few years.
(And if the DF-27 utilizes the same HGV as the DF-17, then similar developments can be anticipated too.)
One possible avenue would be for the new HGV design to effectively merge the advantages of the presently-deployed waverider and dual-conical HGV designs, while also negating their respective disadvantages.
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I wonder If they will finally unveil the DF100 successor (High Mach Hypersonic).
Meanwhile DF100 with another rare apperance.
Isn't DF-100 already retired from service?
No
Although very limited in numbers, Just with 656 BDE (635 rumoured).
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