PLA strike strategies in westpac HIC

votran

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Chinese ships are alot better defended against drones then Russians ones are, I’m sure China is already taken them into consideration but what I’m saying is sinking or hitting a PLAN ship will be alot harder than hitting/sinking a Russian ship
not really , EW , jammer maybe but still no anti drone 25/30 mm gun with good gun depression to shoot naval drone down low on both side of the ship in case they successful get close (2000m around ship)

all PLAN warship gun system such as main high caliber gun , CIWS still design for traditional anti-air , long range ship to shore or ship to boat warfare

naval drones aren't boat , they are much smaller , lower than any common fast missile boat

ship ciws and main gun don't have proper gun depression to shoot them in case they succesful get close within 2000m

in those case the only way to stop them is sailor with fucking small arms and machine gun which not very effective specially at night
 

Wrought

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not really , EW , jammer maybe but still no anti drone 25/30 mm gun with good gun depression to shoot naval drone down low on both side of the ship in case they successful get close (2000m around ship)

all PLAN warship gun system such as main high caliber gun , CIWS still design for traditional anti-air , long range ship to shore or ship to boat warfare

naval drones aren't boat , they are much smaller , lower than any common fast missile boat

ship ciws and main gun don't have proper gun depression to shoot them in case they succesful get close within 2000m

in those case the only way to stop them is sailor with fucking small arms and machine gun which not very effective specially at night

How are they getting within 2000m of the ship? Teleportation?

I am once again asking people to stop comparing apples and oranges. Look at a map. Look at the distances involved. Look at the difference.

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CMP

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How are they getting within 2000m of the ship? Teleportation?

I am once again asking people to stop comparing apples and oranges. Look at a map. Look at the distances involved. Look at the difference.

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Most people are not bright enough to properly grasp basic geography. You are asking for too much. Just let them have their magical thinking.
 

4Tran

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This is the reason to build a numerically superior military. U.S is at a point where they can't procure as much of anything as they used to be. F22 is done. Zumwalts is done. F35 is starting to fade. They planned to slash F35 procurement to 40-50 per year. That is a signifcant drop. If they do that to F35, you will know what is coming for their 6th gen production. It is all the same.
China will procure more 5th and 6th gen planes and to become a decisive advantage in the first chain.
The USN also has no frigates. Theoretically they can send in LCS vessels, but these have no ASW capability, the minesweeping system doesn't seem to be ready yet, and the surface combat systems are just about useless against a real navy.

I should hope so; he can see it happening in real time by looking out his window.
You'd think so, but look at all the other people who should also know what's going on. If you want a real laugh, just look at how Army officers talk about a Western Pacific conflict. At the end of the day, Paparo still has to tow the party line, but he seems to have a brain, and that puts him well ahead of most other American commentators.

On a slightly different subject, a while back, I asked about why the Americans were so adamant about getting Australia to commit to the Western Pacific conflict. It didn't make any sense because Australia is thousands of kilometers away, and they have almost no ability to project force into the region. But I think I've figured it out. It's all about Japan. Japan is the key ally that the US absolutely needs in the Western Pacific. Not only do they have a potent navy, and a substantial air force, but they also have some of the best basing for American forces in the region. The problem is that there's good reason that Japan will stay out of the conflict if no other American allies show up (Philippines doesn't count). South Korea already ruled itself out, so if Australia doesn't commit, then Japan almost certainly won't either.
 

PLAwatcher12

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not really , EW , jammer maybe but still no anti drone 25/30 mm gun with good gun depression to shoot naval drone down low on both side of the ship in case they successful get close (2000m around ship)

all PLAN warship gun system such as main high caliber gun , CIWS still design for traditional anti-air , long range ship to shore or ship to boat warfare

naval drones aren't boat , they are much smaller , lower than any common fast missile boat

ship ciws and main gun don't have proper gun depression to shoot them in case they succesful get close within 2000m

in those case the only way to stop them is sailor with fucking small arms and machine gun which not very effective specially at night
Main naval guns and CIWS can absolutely destroy a naval drone
 

Sinnavuuty

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Main naval guns and CIWS can absolutely destroy a naval drone
Exactly. What's difficult is early and accurate threat recognition to allow enough time to counter an enemy USV attack or USV swarm attack.
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In this matter, something that could be viable is for each ship in the fleet to have its own Counter-USV unit composed of commercial drones with IR/EO cameras to carry out reconnaissance in areas further away from the ship's position. This would improve early recognition and alert the ship's command about the threat and the best way to neutralize it. This would be much better than having to dispatch boats and helicopters to do this constant scanning and unnecessarily wearing down the ship's support equipment.
 
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