2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

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AndrewJ

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TPenglake said:
US intelligence assesses that the strikes only set Iran's nuclear program back by months.

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With that and nationalist fervor motivating Iranians to rally behind the regime, it may have come at a cost, but I think its safe to say now the Iranians probably won this round.

Besides beating the dead horse on things Iranians should do to improve their defense, I feel another factor here is a potential rift in the US-Israeli relationship. What this report lays bare is that Israel was forced to abandon its war goals all so that Trump could snag a PR victory. If signs indicate Iran will go full steam ahead on its nuclear program, will the Israelis feel compelled to restart the war on their own and risk incurring Trump's wrath by making him a laughing stock in the media? We'll see, but I wouldn't be surprised if that thought was on their mind.
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(Just in) Trump: All FAKE NEWS!!!

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1937693059329691671

The interrogator presses the ringleader: how did contact start, what was your brief? He shrugs. “Instagram.” Found a Persian-language page tagged “Dissident Israel,” slid into the DMs, begged for a role, no pay, no conditions, just the mission. They ghosted him, then responded, then fed him waypoints: meet at Metro, wait in the desert lot, run pickups one by one.
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Not even pay, bruh
 
Randomuser

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zyklon said:
The Iranians have declared victory?

What sort of surreal timeline is this?!



Operation Midnight Hammer and adjacent Israeli aggression against Iran may not have impeded the progress of the Iranian nuclear weapons program in a significant fashion.

However, depending on how things move forward and how serious the Iranians are about achieving a nuclear capability, a delay of months or even weeks is not irrelevant.



Unfortunately for Iran, the Israelis aren't going to easily relent even if they're willing to pay lip service to Trump's ceasefire.



Unless Iran is willing to turn into North Korea in terms of its commitment to national defense, the modernization of its military will not occur until US sanctions ease, or until US sanctions are rendered irrelevant as the global political and economic centers of gravity further shift toward Beijing at Washington's expense.
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Why not? Iran held on and did not submit to any game changing humiliating treaties. Yeah it looks stupid with guys dead but losses are expected in wars. As long as its main core interest is not affected, it can live to fight next time. From how I see it, Israel wanted a quick victory but couldn't get it and was getting bogged down so it begged US to step in. The US did join in but only for surface level stuff and eventually told the two to pipe down.

Now what will Iran do? Will it finally wise up this time? It really has a lot to improve on frankly and the time is running out.
 
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OppositeDay said:
Chinese internet meme:

Mossad recruiter: "10K USD for working with Mossad."
Iranian: "Can I pay in installments?"
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Thought out history already tell us: no matter of country there always have traitors eager to sell out. Maybe those traitor think they can climb up be came elite of new era or even better became king! Or they sincerely think they doings this for good of their people. It the end result matter. Who know? Maybe Iran became superpower or became another Syria.
 
manqiangrexue

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zyklon said:
Unfortunately for Iran, the Israelis aren't going to easily relent even if they're willing to pay lip service to Trump's ceasefire.
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They are in a far worse position to do anything now than at the beginning of the conflict because in addition to the damage that Israel already took, there is now fear in Israel of Iranian missiles, most of the Mossad operations in Iran are cooked and there is great awareness amongst even the general public of this danger, and Iranians are now more united than ever, spoiling any Israeli fantasies of kicking down a door and having the Iranian population self-decimate. Israel will want to continue but its options are limited.
zyklon said:
Unless Iran is willing to turn into North Korea in terms of its commitment to national defense, the modernization of its military will not occur until US sanctions ease, or until US sanctions are rendered irrelevant as the global political and economic centers of gravity further shift toward Beijing at Washington's expense.
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It will be closer to the latter. The way things are going, Iran getting back on track and the displacement of American power are gonna be progressing together.
Derpy said:
Even if they get their act together they do not have the Economy
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You forget who can supply the best weapons on long term loans, oil trade, whatever they can spare for geopolitical purposes and an "ironclad" brotherhood.
Derpy said:
to build let alone buy an IADS that can deter The U.S. Even one to just deter Israel alone would be a stretch. Their recent performance is so abysmal it's almost comical, Israel established total air dominance to the point they could fly gen 4 planes and slow drones directly over Teheran 1500km away within days.
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Iran's main problems were internal sabotage from Mossad rather than the technological limits of their IADS. And even so, starting fresh, especially with a supplier, doesn't mean starting where you left off.
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A non corrupt government that have the support of it's people can not get infiltrated the way Iran got, unless that changes they will not perform any better next time regardless of what gear they have.
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The way Iranians rally and what they come up with against Mossad infiltration will determine thier future. That there are common street scenes with Iranians calling for nuclear development and regular Iranian people reporting and capturing Mossad makes be quite hopeful that Iran still has a wholesome core that can shine through adversity to redirect itself onto the correct path. But if they fail this and fall into the same pit again, then it's too dangerous even for Iran's friends to arm them and put technology in their hands.
 
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