2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

PLAwatcher12

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The oddity is you believing IDF propaganda mouthpieces, of which we have several on this very thread. In my second last post, I put a telegram video and pictures of dozens of ballistic missiles launched by Iran today, captured enroute from an international airliner, as well as footage from Iraq showing a large salvo going up.


It doesn't say anything about the number of missiles in the link. Where are you getting this "very small attack, 5 missiles"?

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Haifa power plant on fire (clip),
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Iraqis watch Irani missiles going up (clip),
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Up close footage of the SAM malfunction that hit Nevatim AFB. Allegedly, hacked by Iran. Assumed Arrow-3 or THAAD. You can see how massive that explosion was, indicating something major was hit.
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Tel Aviv
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Eilat struck with the slowest rockets I've seen yet,
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Telegram is flooded with new videos. Looks like Israeli citizens decided to upload anyways. Lot of damage to apartment buildings.
The thing about that missile launches are those could be for all we know we’re reposts and not new. And I like to be on the side of caution but what we know for a fact was very few missiles were launched today compared to the previous days. Ether Iran is planning or waiting for something or Israel has destroyed most of the launchers or stock or Israel has finally gained air superiority/supremacy causing Iran to launch less missiles each wave
 

Gloire_bb

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Israel only has ~100 F-15s and F-35s with the range to even reach Iran, including with refueling over Syria and Iraq. Their F-16s are unlikely to be participating due to low range. And that doesn't mean 100 planes are in the air simultaneously due to maintenance and ferry time, there might be like ~1/4 actually patrolling in western Iran at any one time. That's an area the size of the entire Ukraine.

In Desert Storm, the US was able to keep up its surveillance by a combination of having bases right in Saudi Arabia over the border, and diplomatic trickery to convince the Iraqis to withdraw from entrenched positions in Kuwait instead of fighting a brutal urban grinder - and that got them the Highway of Death.

It is surprisingly hard to uproot entrenched forces even with glide bombs raining on their heads - just ask the Russians. And the Israelis seem to mostly use standoff missiles and saboteurs. Wonder why - if they really 100% suppressed Iranian air defense why standoff range right?
We have enough footage of F-16s specifically doing just that. 3 fuel tanks, maybe a sip of fuel on route - and go.
Range to western Iran is significant, but not overwhelming.
 

RottenPanzer

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Aside from obvious infiltration because of traitors I speculate use of cyberwarfare to gain intelligence about their whereabouts

Israel is insanely good when it comes to this
For example an alleged scandal that occurred in 2018 involving use of Israeli spyware

Okay so i had a possible theory, though quite far fetched for some of you.

So, i'm of the opinion that the Iranian Military is secretly collaborating with IDF in order to weaken the IRGC capabilities or even paved away a possible coup against the current Iranian administration.

I get this conclusion from the rather lack of activity does the Iranian Military currently positioned itself, especially with their S-300 ADS, and also noticed that much of the ADS systems that Israel have destroyed are mostly homegrown systems which usually went into the jurisdiction of the IRGC, and also not to mention that the IRGC are in control of most of the Iranian missile capabilities.

From my times where i usually hanged out on pro-Iranian forums, it can be stated that the rivalry between the Iranian Military and the IRGC is also the main contributing factor. There were times when they went into conflict over arms procurement, especially the S-300 and later on T-90 tanks. And not to mention the favoritism towards IRGC within the Iranian structure, so it is not far fetched that the Iranian military felt very bitter towards them.

I have a feeling that this collaboration has been a thing since the assassination of Hamas leader Haniyeh and later on the exact position of Hezbollah leadership.

So yeah in my opinion, the Iranian Mossad mole this entire is the Iranian Military, from sabotaging the IRGC assets to even giving a possible way for Israeli aircrafts in navigating from Iran's own IADS which is spread out throughout the country.

This is so far only my hypothesis and borders on the periphery of off-topic but i would like to stressed out that the rivalry between the Iranian Military and the IRGC is also a contributing factor within this current conflict.
 

PLAwatcher12

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That's not out of question

Although I would think IRGC would be more secretive when it comes to their activities as they are a separate entity

Not to mention we've seen Iranian military being targeted

Also several impacts on Tel Aviv
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From that video it looks like Iran hit maybe 4 targets. Isreal air defense looks to be getting weaker over time. Also interesting that Iran launched it during the day
 

delfer

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The thing about that missile launches are those could be for all we know we’re reposts and not new. And I like to be on the side of caution but what we know for a fact was very few missiles were launched today compared to the previous days. Ether Iran is planning or waiting for something or Israel has destroyed most of the launchers or stock or Israel has finally gained air superiority/supremacy causing Iran to launch less missiles each wave
Do people seriously believe that Israel has been able to destroy a large percentage of Iran’s launch systems in literally just 3-4 days?

People need to understand that we are talking about a country more than twice the size of Ukraine and twice the population? Plus a large part of their defense being the concealment and protection of military assets deep underground in fortified bunkers.

Even Desert Storm took far longer, and that was an entire coalition of US and NATO forces, in a major state of deployment, at a time when the US reigned supreme with essentially no capable enemies anymore.

All that against Iraq, a country that, yes, people claim to have had one of the strongest militaries at the time, but was just out of a war with Iran, whose leadership and cohesion was even more unstable than Iran’s, whose economy and industry was weak, whose land was more than three times smaller than Iran’s, and population more than four times smaller.

And NATO still had to put in heavy work to destroy their assets. Plus Iraq did not put much effort in tunnels and underground bunkers, which is a major factor in a military and country’s survival against a superior opponent.

They just did some fancy big booms like all western militaries love to do, not much more. I’m sure they destroyed some assets, probably some launchers here and there, but nothing even close to diminishing their power. Not yet at least.
 

PLAwatcher12

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Israeli police raided an apartment in Haifa where a foreign news crew was

Something big must have been hit there if they don’t want people to film anything there. I know there is a restriction on what you can post but I think this is the first time they actually raided a place.
Do people seriously believe that Israel has been able to destroy a large percentage of Iran’s launch systems in literally just 3-4 days?

You do understand that we are talking about a country more than twice the size of Ukraine and twice the population? Plus a large part of their defense being the concealment and protection of military assets deep underground in fortified bunkers.

Even Desert Storm took far longer, and that was an entire coalition of US and NATO forces, in a major state of deployment, at a time when the US reigned supreme with essentially no capable enemies anymore.

All that against Iraq, a country that, yes, people claim to have had one of the strongest militaries at the time, but was just out of a war with Iran, whose leadership and cohesion was even more unstable than Iran’s, whose economy and industry was weak, whose land was more than three times smaller than Iran’s, and population more than four times smaller.

And NATO still had to put in heavy work to destroy their assets. Plus Iraq did not put much effort in tunnels and underground bunkers, which is a major factor in a military and country’s survival against a superior opponent.

They just did some fancy big booms like all western militaries love to do, not much more. I’m sure they destroyed some assets, probably some launchers here and there, but nothing even close to diminishing their power. Not yet at least.
Considering Iran is filled with Mossad and their SAM and AD seem to be largely destroyed or just not working and that Isreal has basically free rein over Iran, I do think they might of, I don’t rule it out
 
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