2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

neutralobserver

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Looks like US is joining in. It will be interesting to see how long Iran can survive and how much damage it can do to US forces. If they can do drag this out a few years, cause lots of damage to US forces, forcing them to keep escalating, then there goes their pivot to asia
Pivot to Asia is dead the moment they enter this conflict. It's becoming untenable even as things stand right now but if they get bogged with Iran then they'll be done for as for as Asia/WestPac is concerned.
 

AlexYe

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Pivot to Asia is dead the moment they enter this conflict. It's becoming untenable even as things stand right now but if they get bogged with Iran then they'll be done for as for as Asia/WestPac is concerned.
They are probably thinking '3 days to Tehran' sort of timeline... not thinking about being bogged down
 

tokenanalyst

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Looks like US is joining in. It will be interesting to see how long Iran can survive and how much damage it can do to US forces. If they can do drag this out a few years, cause lots of damage to US forces, forcing them to keep escalating, then there goes their pivot to asia
The US have more firepower to do more damage than the Israelis can do but without boots on the ground is impossible to do the "regime change" that the stooges want. The war could become a unconventional more asymmetrical war.
 

lube

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The US have more firepower to do more damage than the Israelis can do but without boots on the ground is impossible to do the "regime change" that the stooges want. The war could become a unconventional more asymmetrical war.

The issue is the pro-US types always talk about a pure bombing campaign rather than an invasion. They might talk themselves into this, thanks to MEK lobbying.

Iran surviving politically intact after being razed to the ground can't be seen as a victory unless they do get the nukes, which is a taller order if the US does provide the bombers and bunker busters.
 

xyz4321

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Positioning of the planes and the wings swept all the way to the storage position would imply these might not be operational aircrafts.

As a matter of fact, these seem to have been sitting on that same spot for a while a now according to google earth

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Still a loss but for the museums that could have gotten them
Imagine building a garage for your car and then parking outside it.

I know for a fact those hanger cost less than a missile to build.

After the surprise attack nobody's parking anything inside a hanger, they build underground bases for this exact reason.

Israel is evidently unable to damage any protected Iranian bases or stop launches even when trying to do so yesturday, and given their AD is clearly unable to intercept a big percentage of missiles plus getting progressively less effective, if they're counting on Iran running out of ammo, they're taking a massive gamble that they might actually not survive
All that's needed now is MOSSAD launching an attack on US bases and blaming it on Iran.
Didn't see news about Yemen joining the fray, combined strike would make things worse for interception systems.
Yemen launched a few drones, as well as Hezbollah and Syria, but their effects are unknown, suspected minor.
GPS jammers active around the Strait of Hormuz, it seems

GPS jammers in one of the busiest air corridors on earth?
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I have conflicting feelings about this Iranian mess. They destroyed Syria but are the only ones in the region resisting the zionists. One side of me wants to see them punished but not in this humiliating way. But perhaps they deserve what is coming at them.

More SAMs getting wrecked:

Very small explosions for launchers. Surely, they are empty. From this angle, can't even tell if it's a launcher and not a regular commercial freight truck.

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Drone attack in Eilat makes impact
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Already posted but more detail: cargo flight from CHN to Iran,
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I also saw this flight right before Pak/Ind conflict fly from HK to Pak and right over India.

Youtube cuts off live broadcasts from Tel Aviv and Haifa
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Wreckage of Irani drones shot down over Syria
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Arrival in Haifa. Guess the rocket?
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Saudi passenger films from the air Iran BM launches. Multistage rockets.
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wilhelm

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Yea, that i know.

But just those few tests at South Africa isn't enough.

Maybe to test and make some few, but probably unlikely to be enough to produce 100+ kilotons ones, or lots of nukes.
The South African ballistic missile program is extremely interesting as it revealed capabilities probably shared by Israel.

The initial stages up to MRBM were shared between Israel and South Africa. They then each developed their own ICBM based on those.
The South African doctrine was interesting:
Should Pretoria face a catastrophic situation due to circumstances caused by events backed by the USSR, then the initial reaction was a nuclear test, followed by a demonstration of the RSA-4 ICBM. This would have explicitly stated that a nuclear payload could be delivered to Moscow and Washington. (Bolded)
The reason for this was to ensure that everyone (bolded) understood implicitly what was at stake and what was to be lost by everyone, thus ensuring everybody got involved to cool things down.
The entire point of the RSA-4 ICBM program was this threat.

It is very very interesting to see the Israeli doctrine is similar.

The South African unveiling and subsequent decommissioning of their program was very interesting, as although the two countries developed their own different ICBM's, the core stages and technologies were shared.
So, although the RSA-4 ICBM was different in detail to the Jericho-3 ICBM, they are contemporaries in time and capability.

Thus, it revealed far more about the capabilities the Israelis have than anything before or since, as Israel is very secretive about it.
So, in light of your statement, the Israelis most certainly have the range to cover those targets mentioned.

Within the context of this discussion and Israels capabilities in this regard, South Africa's programme is fascinating to read up on, including their test launches of stages from the Overberg Launch Centre into the South Indian/Atlantic ocean.
Also relevant at that time period was the fact that not only was South Africa enriching it's own weapons grade uranium, but at the time was in the top 3 global uranium mining and producing countries on the planet. And that was of critical importance to Israel.
Uranium access wasn't an issue for Israel then.
 
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