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2025 Israel - Iranian conflict
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Maybe. Who knows? If they test one in next weeks, then we shall know... If not in these circumstances, then when?
The Russians at least have vodka as an excuse...
The answer of all this question is that most of Iranian assets and structures have been thoroughly infiltrated by the Mossad. Iran only fixated on the more hard-end and tangible assets, such as Air Defenses and Missiles while neglecting much of their Cyber structure. And also i need you guys to remember that the IRGC is so inept to the point that the entirety of Hezbollah military command got swept up in a single strike.
Israel certainly took the Ukrainian handbook for this one and improved a ton from the foundations that the Ukraine had, and especially with the assistance of US Intelligence.
This is a strategic Israeli victory.
Israel certainly took the Ukrainian handbook for this one and improved a ton from the foundations that the Ukraine had, and especially with the assistance of US Intelligence.
This is a strategic Israeli victory.
At this point it should be apparent that the previous exchange's límited effect was mostly a (dumb) choice by iranian command, my dude. And just like last time, it took a long time before heavily edited satellite pictures emerged, and not of allá the struck bases at that thanks to the fact almost western comercial imaging corps have ties or are fronts to one alphabet agency or another.
We barely have clear pictures of the Pakistan-India exchange as it is, "my dude"
The problem with Iran is that they are an islamist dictatorship that 50% of population don't supports. In such situation, it isn't so hard for Mossad to find people willing to work for them. Of course, any country has it's share of traitors, but ayatolahs are making their best to have as much as possible trough their stupid islamist policy.
Wait, did Iran has ever issued any alarm for Iranian civilians to take a shelter though?
- 50 Iranian ballistics launched.
plawolf
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Iran should be a case study in strategic stupidity.
They have basically played the wrong card for every single one of their defining major strategic decisions over the last half decade, and now they are paying the price for all those past missteps.
- Allowing Soleimani to be assassinated and not daring to make any meaningful response. That was basically the beginning of the end for Iran. He was the only capable and competent commander holding everything together for Iran. Essentially their Yue Fei.
- Allowing Israel to pick off Gaza, Hezbollah and Syria one by one without making the necessary full commitment needed to give any of them a credible chance to resist destruction.
- Signing the historic peace deal with Saudi Arabia and then immediately squandering it by using the $400bn investment cheque China promised in exchange for the deal as a bargaining chip to use to appease the west hoping to get sanctions relief from the west instead of cashing that in with China for actual investments and military upgrades.
- Supporting the Houthis for what? Just to troll the Americans and Israelis? How much was achieved and at what cost? Not just in terms of weapons funnelled to the Houthis, but also in diplomatic damage with Saudi Arabia and China.
- Electing a string of pro-western leaders who are at best useful idiots, if not outright western intelligence assets.
- Wasting thousands of rockets and showing their hand to Israel and America for meaningless propaganda points as glorified fireworks displays instead of using those munitions to deal serious damage to the IDF air bases and fighter aircraft fleets. Even now they waste resources trying to score propaganda points instead of focusing on military targets of true consequence.
The list is basically endless, to the point that it’s basically impossible key decision makers and shot callers in the highest levels of government and the military in Iran are not Israeli agents working proactively to sabotage Iran.
Iran is a lost cause, and China was smart not to waste resources on their lost cause. China give it a real try and spent massive political capital to enable the accord with Saudi Arabia and was willing to spend colossal resources investing in Iran and building it up as a true pillar in the ME. But Iran cannot help itself from valuing western optics more while at the same time not being willing or able to give up its antagonistic empire building tendencies in the region.
Instead of choosing the path of peace and development, it kept wasting time and resources trying to shore up its soft power image of big brother in the region, while at the same time ignored constant Israeli and American moves to seriously damage its hard power to back up its strategic delusions of grandeur.
The only sensible conclusion is that Israel has played a masterful game of hollowing out the sensible unifying leaders in Iran so that the gulf between the self-hating western wannabes and loony toon religious extremists grew so wide and their internal struggles so fierce that they did far more damage to each other than Israel. Indeed, this cycle may well have been self sustaining, as useful idiots from both sides in Iran accepted Israeli assistance in dealing damage to their domestic rivals and deluded themselves into thinking selling out to the Israelis was actually in the best interests of Iran if it allowed them to win their internal power struggles against their hated internal rivals. Basically British colonialism divide and conquer strategies revised from the modern age.
The best Iran can hope for from this era of weakness and national humiliation is that it can use the upcoming collective suffering and massive societal loss of life as a crucible to rid its society from top to bottom of weak white wannabes and idiotic global jihadists radicals. If it fails to do so, it will collapse into warring stages and another jihadi paradise like Libya and Syria before them.
Either way Iran is off the board for at least a generation if not more. How the broader geopolitical great game will evolve is still very uncertain, and massively beyond the scope of this thread in any case.
They have basically played the wrong card for every single one of their defining major strategic decisions over the last half decade, and now they are paying the price for all those past missteps.
- Allowing Soleimani to be assassinated and not daring to make any meaningful response. That was basically the beginning of the end for Iran. He was the only capable and competent commander holding everything together for Iran. Essentially their Yue Fei.
- Allowing Israel to pick off Gaza, Hezbollah and Syria one by one without making the necessary full commitment needed to give any of them a credible chance to resist destruction.
- Signing the historic peace deal with Saudi Arabia and then immediately squandering it by using the $400bn investment cheque China promised in exchange for the deal as a bargaining chip to use to appease the west hoping to get sanctions relief from the west instead of cashing that in with China for actual investments and military upgrades.
- Supporting the Houthis for what? Just to troll the Americans and Israelis? How much was achieved and at what cost? Not just in terms of weapons funnelled to the Houthis, but also in diplomatic damage with Saudi Arabia and China.
- Electing a string of pro-western leaders who are at best useful idiots, if not outright western intelligence assets.
- Wasting thousands of rockets and showing their hand to Israel and America for meaningless propaganda points as glorified fireworks displays instead of using those munitions to deal serious damage to the IDF air bases and fighter aircraft fleets. Even now they waste resources trying to score propaganda points instead of focusing on military targets of true consequence.
The list is basically endless, to the point that it’s basically impossible key decision makers and shot callers in the highest levels of government and the military in Iran are not Israeli agents working proactively to sabotage Iran.
Iran is a lost cause, and China was smart not to waste resources on their lost cause. China give it a real try and spent massive political capital to enable the accord with Saudi Arabia and was willing to spend colossal resources investing in Iran and building it up as a true pillar in the ME. But Iran cannot help itself from valuing western optics more while at the same time not being willing or able to give up its antagonistic empire building tendencies in the region.
Instead of choosing the path of peace and development, it kept wasting time and resources trying to shore up its soft power image of big brother in the region, while at the same time ignored constant Israeli and American moves to seriously damage its hard power to back up its strategic delusions of grandeur.
The only sensible conclusion is that Israel has played a masterful game of hollowing out the sensible unifying leaders in Iran so that the gulf between the self-hating western wannabes and loony toon religious extremists grew so wide and their internal struggles so fierce that they did far more damage to each other than Israel. Indeed, this cycle may well have been self sustaining, as useful idiots from both sides in Iran accepted Israeli assistance in dealing damage to their domestic rivals and deluded themselves into thinking selling out to the Israelis was actually in the best interests of Iran if it allowed them to win their internal power struggles against their hated internal rivals. Basically British colonialism divide and conquer strategies revised from the modern age.
The best Iran can hope for from this era of weakness and national humiliation is that it can use the upcoming collective suffering and massive societal loss of life as a crucible to rid its society from top to bottom of weak white wannabes and idiotic global jihadists radicals. If it fails to do so, it will collapse into warring stages and another jihadi paradise like Libya and Syria before them.
Either way Iran is off the board for at least a generation if not more. How the broader geopolitical great game will evolve is still very uncertain, and massively beyond the scope of this thread in any case.