2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

[doggydogdo]

It’s not that we become anti-Iran, it’s just that it’s frustrating to see Iran get hit multiple times, assassinations, etc, and respond in limited ways with clear hesitance. They need to finally stand up to Israel. Enough is enough, but it seems like they just allow themselves to get punched.

You’re right, this attack wasn’t THAT insanely huge or anything, but it was bigger than the previous ones, and it’s going to start causing problems now because the Israelis will be emboldened by it, and keep pushing the envelope. Believe me, I hope Iran responds accordingly, but some of us have just lost hope.

They are hesitant because they don't want war, Iran is a rational actor unlike the west and Israel, but they are forcing Iran to fight it.

 

[4Tran]

Sigh, it looks like I should break out this game:



I suspect that Iran is going to look for a counterweight against Israel and the US. The only viable power for this counterweight is China so we may be looking at a new buyer for some toys. I wonder if this will lead to a warming between Tehran and Riyadh.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

This is the biggest test Iran has faced in maybe last 800 years (Mongols were worst)

They either rally around their nation and civilization, Fight for it, or Israel and US will slowly degrade and destroy Iran. Most likely Iran will break up into pieces.

If they truly can fight back. They have the resources. They have the oil money, they have resources they can import from Russia. They can build up their missile and drone forces and Bomb Israel repeatedly until Israel itself is trouble. But they need to grind this one out and not give up. They need to be like the Houthis. Let's see if they have the mettle to struggle like that.

Iranians think they're honorary westerners being held back by their government.

It doesn't matter what weapons you have, morale is what truly matters. Both Ukrainians and Russians show immensely high morale and are willing to kill and die for their cause.

Iranians show rock bottom morale. That is why defeat is certain.

Thats not what the 1.5 million means. Its referring to the number of people that have some sort of natural disability making them unfit for service not people who were already mobilized but are critically wounded. Because the alternative is that Ukraine has suffered 1.5 million critically wounded alone and millions of casualties in total. Because that’s frankly ridiculous. The US military estimate as of January is 400k.

Sorry but I’m tired of people giving Russia and Iran so much slack and credit when they dont deserve any of it. They’re freeloaders pure and simple, neither will be able to pull their own weight in a conflict with the west. Russia is supposedly the “second best army” in the world. Is this what standard we hold them to? That they beat Ukraine into a mutual demographic collapse? Seriously? Sure its obviously not as bad as Ukraine’s but they too were already suffering from a declining working age population and TFR. Add onto that a war with hundreds of thousands of casualties and mass brain drain? And they’re still only in possible of like a fourth of the country? If you told me this was the outcome 3 years on I’d be incredulous. There’s literally no reason to laud this as any sort of success. The bar should not be this low. The fact that 3 years in we’re talking about Russia losing a dozen strategic bombers deep in their own territory. That you have Ukrainian drones striking Moscow itself. We need to face the fact that a supposed military superpower, given 3 years to conquer Ukraine, has managed to get itself mired down to a snails pace, and only has a fourth of the country occupied to show for it. Would you trust Russia to handle itself in a direct kinetic conflict with Europe? I sure as hell would not. And I sure as hell would not trust them in a fight with America. At the end of the day, China stands alone. Our allies have shown us no lack of their true competency. We need to prepare to fight the West by ourselves with no aid and win.

Russia was never the 2nd best, that is due to westerners underestimating China. Ukraine was also never that weak.

I mean you could say the same about Vietnam.

Vietnam shot down 3.7k US jets, 10k US aircraft total and forced the US out of Saigon at the height of US power when US was 40% of global GDP and Vietnam had literally 1% of US GDP per capita.

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Comparably, it would be as if Ukraine shot down the entire Russian Air Force and Ukrainian Leopard 2s crashed through Sevastopol and Donetsk.

Was it really Vietnam that did it though? Or was it the industrial power of USSR and China funneled into Vietnam?

Is it really Ukraine?

 

[bebops]

I remembered Iran did asked China for warplanes but China rejected them.

At this point, there is no way for China to help Iran unlike Pakistan unless they both bordered to each other. There are several countries between Iran and China so it is not easy for China to deliver weapons to them.

I felt like after Israel/US got rid of one of their roadblock, Iran. U.S and its allies will set their sights on China next. Possible preemptive strike in the next several years? I hope China is ready for the possible scenario.

just my two cent.

 

[Mmmeeeto]

It’s not that we become anti-Iran, it’s just that it’s frustrating to see Iran get hit multiple times, assassinations, etc, and respond in limited ways with clear hesitance. They need to finally stand up to Israel. Enough is enough, but it seems like they just allow themselves to get punched.

You’re right, this attack wasn’t THAT insanely huge or anything, but it was bigger than the previous ones, and it’s going to start causing problems now because the Israelis will be emboldened by it, and keep pushing the envelope. Believe me, I hope Iran responds accordingly, but some of us have just lost hope.

Again, everyone seems to underestimate the power and leverage Israel has in the region. Israel's combo of the most advanced western weaponry and CIA-Mossad intelligence is unmatched. Iran has no way of acquiring advanced weaponry and blaming the success of this attack on Iranian narcissism among other things isn't a good approach.

 

[neutralobserver]

NFSW:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1933372912460857478

I hope Iran retaliates and gives this rotten entity a good response.

 

[Randomuser]

Iran was hyped a lot yet disappointed when it came to a fight. Pakistan didn't really have that much hype behind it but proved its performance in a recent fight. Wonder what caused the difference.

Iran is against a smaller guy while Pakistan is against a bigger guy.

 

[tankphobia]

There has to be a double agent at the highest level in Iran.

How on earth are all its secrets so easily found out by Israel and the west?

Could also be internal division. There's a strong undercurrent against the Islamic theocracy for some time now. At its core Iran is a Persian culture hijacked by fundamentalists following the failure of the US backed regime.

Iranians are incredibly intelligent, they are heavily represented within the STEM field and from those I've seen are humble and sincere. Unlike another culture which is also heavily represented in STEM.

I would not be surprised moles hoping to shake things up willingly providing Intel to the Israelis to weaken the government and steer it towards a more moderate stance.

 

[doggydogdo]

People dislike Iran's incompetence, they are frustrated and sad. Look at the Houthis, what they have been doing to Israel and US with their limited resources. Compared to that Iran has been completely exposed and humiliated.

If Air defense is this bad then they should have given up everything and bought good air defense from Russia and China. They should have eaten grass to get good air defense. But sadly they did not. And now they are suffering.

China doesn't sell weapons to Iran anymore after it got sanctioned by the UN for nuclear issue. Russia did sell air defense to Iran.

 

[Botnet]

They are hesitant because they don't want war, Iran is a rational actor unlike the west and Israel, but they are forcing Iran to fight it.

Iran is afraid of conflict with Israel thats what they are. Israel has been slowly and steadily cutting off all of its proxies the past year and a half. And Iran has seemingly just laid down and taken it. When Israel does strike Iran, they give a disproportionately weak response as a “warning”. What kind of good does that do for them? They’re not establishing deterrence with that, the Israelis will be emboldened and simply strike again, even harder the next time. The insane passivity that Iran is demonstrating when Israel is clearly out for regime collapse is baffling, like hell the existence of your state is in the line here and you’re just out here issuing strong statements.