Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

[manqiangrexue]

No. But you appear to enjoy criticising other countries for not loving China enough when China hasn't shown any interest in being loved by these countries.

This comment is what I'm referring to. Iranians and Palestinians aren't "asserting their dominance". But I'm sure they're disappointed that China isn't doing more to work together with other countries that are being threatened by the west. Instead China sanctions them to please the Americans and gain more access to western markets. Worshipping the west is sadly also quite common in China as it is in other developing countries

They're not smart people. If they were, they would be immersed in science and not be in the position they are today. If they were smart people, they would understand the simple principle that the enemy of your enemy is your friend. Even though China cannot help them today with direct military intervention against the US in the middle east, their only hope is that in the future, China can create a world where America/the West/Israel fear the consequences of their actions and are forced to abide by common morality. And today, whatever China does to cut away from American power is something that they won't end up having pointed at them like a spear in the face. China doesn't owe them anything; it's a test of their intellect to see if they realize whom they should love/idolize and whom they should despise without being vied for.

 

[siegecrossbow]

No. But you appear to enjoy criticising other countries for not loving China enough when China hasn't shown any interest in being loved by these countries.

This comment is what I'm referring to. Iranians and Palestinians aren't "asserting their dominance". But I'm sure they're disappointed that China isn't doing more to work together with other countries that are being threatened by the west. Instead China sanctions them to please the Americans and gain more access to western markets. Worshipping the west is sadly also quite common in China as it is in other developing countries

China has facilitated a peace deal between Iran and Saudi Arabia two years ago. The fact that the Iranian political elite failed to seize the opportunity and continued to get humiliated is not China’s fault. And nothing you said addresses the main point — does it make it okay to call China by a racial slur just because it hasn’t been perceived as a useful ally?

 

[tygyg1111]

This is why China practices non-interventionism. The country you help will not necessarily appreciate you afterwards. They may deserve our sympathy, but not our unconditional support.

What you need to do is help them when they're desperate and then stay on and control them; if you're not enforcing your rights over them they can do what they want.
The general view of Chinese citizens towards the world is still much too optimistic; however slowly they're coming to the realization that nothing is a charity (goes both ways).
People need to prove they're useful in order to receive help. If they can't make themselves useful, they will and should be made useful in other ways.

 

[neutralobserver]

Mehmood Abbas supported India against Pakistan. Yasir Arafat was also pro India. Palestinians and Arabs in general stayed neutral in the recent Pakistani Indian conflict despite overwhelming support for Arabs in general and Palestinians in particular in Pakistan. Indian Foreign Minister was chief guest at OIC conference organized by Arabs after 2019 clash and Kashmir 370 article removal. Pakistan actually boycotted that conference.

 

[RottenPanzer]

So because China hasn’t helped as much then it is okay to call Chinese people chinks?

You guys took remarks from Palestinian children too seriously, these are just kids. Of course a sort of stereotypical perception is going to persist.

 

[siegecrossbow]

You guys took remarks from Palestinian children too seriously, these are just kids. Of course a sort of stereotypical perception is going to persist.

Iranian adults do the same thing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/j5vhrq

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

What has China done for Gaza?

Nothing. Problem?

This comment is what I'm referring to. Iranians and Palestinians aren't "asserting their dominance". But I'm sure they're disappointed that China isn't doing more to work together with other countries that are being threatened by the west. Instead China sanctions them to please the Americans and gain more access to western markets. Worshipping the west is sadly also quite common in China as it is in other developing countries

Well, the West and Iran/Palestinians are both racist, but one has money and the other doesn't. And the one with money is intelligent enough to at least keep its racism somewhat contained because it's not as stupid as the open racists. Guess which one China's going to choose.

 

[Minm]

China has facilitated a peace deal between Iran and Saudi Arabia two years ago. The fact that the Iranian political elite failed to seize the opportunity and continued to get humiliated is not China’s fault. And nothing you said addresses the main point — does it make it okay to call China by a racial slur just because it hasn’t been perceived as a useful ally?

You seem to have a personal hatred for Iran. That's what I'd like to point out.

Of course it's not ok to be racist. That's not really my point. My point is that you irrationally criticise others for not loving China.

Yes, China facilitated the peace deal, but it's not like Iran hasn't been building relations with the Arab world by itself. On this forum it's sometimes claimed that China is offering so much to Iran but Iran didn't seize the opportunity. I believe the reality is just that China isn't willing to engage with Iran because it sees its interests in the west and the Arab world as more valuable. So engagement with China ends up being lots of empty promises with nothing materialising. Even worse is that China is not even willing to sell advanced weapons to Iran, despite supposedly being on the same side in the global struggle against the west.

 

[Minm]

Nothing. Problem?

Well, the West and Iran/Palestinians are both racist, but one has money and the other doesn't. And the one with money is intelligent enough to at least keep its racism somewhat contained because it's not as stupid as the open racists. Guess which one China's going to choose.

I'm not sure where you get this impression that West Asia is more racist than other regions.

There's no problem in doing nothing for Gaza. I don't think it would be a good idea for China to do anything. But you can't expect that children in Gaza should be super pro China when China does nothing for them

 

[obj 705A]

Man these people people aren't familiar to Chinese people especially from close. The same thing i witnessed for example at an well known youtuber (bald and bankrupt) videotrip in Xinjiang who did took a regular passenger train. People were treating him like an alien but not in an offensive way. It was so funny and lovely too.

is there actually a video of these kids calling him ching chong? because if there isn't then I call BS on this story. very few in the Arab world know the term "chingchong". and literaly no one knows the term "chink". if they were to call him something, I would expect them to call him "Jackie Chan" or something similar.
to be honest if a person who claims to be a humanitarian worker get's this much hurt because some kids called him a name then he is not cut for the job. a while ago one of my colleagues brought her daughter to work. the daughter started giving nicknames to us based on vegetables so cucumber, tomato, she calls another colleague eggplant because he is dark skinned, obciously the mother tells her not to say that. it's just a kid. it's not like the kid told you "go die".

What has China done for Gaza? Has China helped Iran or supported UN sanctions? China has given both of them lots of verbal support, but when it comes to actions, there's a lot of empty promises like first loudly claiming big investment numbers and then pulling out of projects in Iran at the request of the US

to be honest demanding that the Palestinians be grateful to any one is completely out of touch.

the entire world (including China and Russia) abandoned Palestine and decided to just sit back and watch one of the most brutal genocides in modern history. the world chose to do nothing because they realize that Israel is America's holy master. for America.. Israel and it's people are much more important than America and it's people. if you harm the US directly then the American retaliation against you will be less severe than if you would hurt Israel. after all America chose to forgive Joulani & AlQaeda, the organization that killed 3000 American civilians on US soil because Joulani promised to befriend Israel.

if any Palestinian choses to be grateful to those who didn't help his people then that Palestinian has no self respect. the only ones who the Palestinians are probably grateful to are the Yemenis and maybe to a less extent Hezbolah and Iran. and even for these countries I'm sure you could still find the occaional Palestinian wahabi who doesn't give a fk about the Palestinian cause and only cares about killing the "kafir Shia".

to be honest people demanding that Palestinians be grateful to China or any other country is even more out of touch than J.D. Vance telling Zelensky "you didn't say thank you".