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Lethe

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That is a historical absolute truth though. Every territorial claim is tied to how much power you have. Starship Troopers was right: the ultimate arbiter of truth is force.

What is the legitimate territory of the US, without force? Jamestown, Virginia and Plymouth Rock, Massachusetts. Every meter beyond that was taken with brute force or trickery backed by force.

The challenge is to recognise and account for matters of power while preserving the ability to distinguish right from wrong. The conclusion that power is its own justification and that moral questions are of no interest is degenerate. Conversely, a philosophical or religious moralism that is so pure that it is unable to engage with the world as it is is of no use to anyone. Between these extremes lie the realms of political thought.

Oswald Spengler's vivid articulation always sticks with me: "When Jesus was brought before Pilate, the world of facts and the world of truths came face to face in immediate and implacable hostility."
 

Iracundus

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Starship troopers is based on a novel by Robert Heinlein who is considered one of the pioneers of science fiction. The novel is also considered a staple of scifi. Heinlein being ex military will obviously have bias but at least can explain where he comes from.

But on the last day he seemed to be trying to find out what we had learned. One girl told him bluntly: “My mother says that violence never settles anything.”

“So?” Mr. Dubois looked at her bleakly. “I’m sure the city fathers of Carthage would be glad to know that. Why doesn’t your mother tell them so? Or why don’t you?”

They had tangled before—since you couldn’t flunk the course, it wasn’t necessary to keep Mr. Dubois buttered up. She said shrilly, “You’re making fun of me! Everybody knows that Carthage was destroyed!”

“You seemed to be unaware of it,” he said grimly. “Since you do know it, wouldn’t you say that violence had settled their destinies rather thoroughly? However, I was not making fun of you personally; I was heaping scorn on an inexcusably silly idea—a practice I shall always follow. Anyone who clings to the historically untrue—and thoroughly immoral—doctrine that ‘violence never settles anything’ I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms.”

Qin never got full acceptance from the other states of the Warring States no matter how much Qin tried to fit in. It was always seen as half-barbarian at best and full barbarian at worst. Yet for all the moralizing and snobbishness shown by the other states, it was Qin that ultimately destroyed all the others through military conquest, with the last state Qi surrendering because resistance by itself was futile by that point. Attempts at soft power didn't gain Qin much and it was hard power that ultimately made the other states first stop sneering, then respect, then fear Qin.
 

sabiothailand

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Qin never got full acceptance from the other states of the Warring States no matter how much Qin tried to fit in. It was always seen as half-barbarian at best and full barbarian at worst. Yet for all the moralizing and snobbishness shown by the other states, it was Qin that ultimately destroyed all the others through military conquest, with the last state Qi surrendering because resistance by itself was futile by that point. Attempts at soft power didn't gain Qin much and it was hard power that ultimately made the other states first stop sneering, then respect, then fear Qin.
Is this part of the novel? I never read it.
 

Randomuser

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Is this part of the novel? I never read it.
No. This is real history of China. Its how Qin Shi Huang became the first imperial emperor.

However it would be a prime example of violence does solve many things as espoused by the novel. Fighting bugs is just the background. The whole point of starship troopers is basically trying to justify military rule and it's view.

Even the dumbed down movie that got panned originally is getting critical reassessment now because people are realizing, oh so that whats it was trying to say.
 
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GZDRefugee

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Qin never got full acceptance from the other states of the Warring States no matter how much Qin tried to fit in. It was always seen as half-barbarian at best and full barbarian at worst. Yet for all the moralizing and snobbishness shown by the other states, it was Qin that ultimately destroyed all the others through military conquest, with the last state Qi surrendering because resistance by itself was futile by that point. Attempts at soft power didn't gain Qin much and it was hard power that ultimately made the other states first stop sneering, then respect, then fear Qin.
I think the issue people have with Chinese soft power is that official mouthpieces are completely detached from reality when it comes to effectively conveying the state's stance. Like honestly, listen to the MOFA press release and compare it to the UNSC Ambassador's
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to accusations that China is supporting Russia on Jan 16 (even then, Geng Shuang's retort was too stiff and excessively used diplospeak in my opinion).

Then there's people like Victor Gao who should be categorically barred from speaking to media. None of that
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about thinking philosophically, just tell the interviewer "if China replicated what Israel was doing to Gaza in Xinjiang would the west stop labelling it as a genocide? Who are the undisputed experts in killing Muslim children for the last 30 years to accuse China of genociding Muslims?"

Get these boomers out of here, we need youngblood shitposters who actually know how to talk to people leading the charge.
 

Randomuser

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Qin never got full acceptance from the other states of the Warring States no matter how much Qin tried to fit in. It was always seen as half-barbarian at best and full barbarian at worst. Yet for all the moralizing and snobbishness shown by the other states, it was Qin that ultimately destroyed all the others through military conquest, with the last state Qi surrendering because resistance by itself was futile by that point. Attempts at soft power didn't gain Qin much and it was hard power that ultimately made the other states first stop sneering, then respect, then fear Qin.
The funny thing is how they mocked Qin for being barbaric and practical. Apparently they were stupid for letting talented commoners prove themselves on battlefield become a general instead of giving it to the retard son of some statesman who never had any working experience.
 

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PM Modi unlikely to attend G7 Summit in Canada, first miss in 6 years: Sources
Amid frosty ties between Ottawa and New Delhi, PM Modi is unlikely to visit Canada for the upcoming G7 Summit. Neither has the Canadian side approached India regarding the visit, nor is the Indian side inclined to attend, said sources, adding that the relationship must improve before any such high-profile visit takes place.
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