The Kashmir conflict 2025.

Observer1

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Is it plausible if the war is to get hot that China can provide Pakistan with some antiship hypersonic glide missiles? IMO it's the only high probability way of taking out a carrier
What would that mean for the world? Let's say in a hypothetical scenario, China provides DF-17D AShBM to Pakistan and it somehow gets some successful hits, maybe even on a carrier.

Does that directly boost China's deterrence in Taiwan, or is that some form of setback, diplomatically or perhaps militarily by leaking kinetic data?
 

bsdnf

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What would that mean for the world? Let's say in a hypothetical scenario, China provides DF-17 AShBM to Pakistan and it somehow gets some successful hits, maybe even on a carrier.

Does that directly boost China's deterrence in Taiwan, or is that some form of setback, diplomatically or perhaps militarily by leaking kinetic data?
There is already an export version of the YJ-21, and the DF-17 is obviously impossible to export.

And it is not worth it. The Indian aircraft carrier is not worthy of being sunk by the DF-17.
 

Tomboy

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What would that mean for the world? Let's say in a hypothetical scenario, China provides DF-17 AShBM to Pakistan and it somehow gets some successful hits, maybe even on a carrier.

Does that directly boost China's deterrence in Taiwan, or is that some form of setback, diplomatically or perhaps militarily by leaking kinetic data?
It would almost certainly warn off US carriers in case of a Taiwan Scenario IMO, they don't even have to give Pakistan the best they've got just something that would get the job done in their opinion
 

Gloire_bb

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Structurally they are very different now though. During exercises the U.S. has difficulty sinking the hull of the carrier.
There is a lot of ww2 experience included, but structirally they're more or less similar. American carriers+003 stand out due to their sheer size, others - not even that.

Finishing off the hulls was sometimes problem during ww2 (remember poor Hornet), but this is a kind of situation where navies finish their own ships just to not be tied down by an inevitable constructive total loss(americans saved a couple of such ships late in the war just because they could - but ships were effectively dead anyway).
 
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Mt1701d

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The analysis I’ve read is that by destabilizing the situation in South Asia the US could keep China occupied, kinda like how Houthis are keeping them occupied.
I can certainly understand where they are coming from but that’s an entirely different situation, the US are having to extend their forces to take care of the Houthis, whiles China really just need to send a few more units and be on standby. Plus it’s not like China will be the one in combat in the first place. In this case, the most that China will really be doing, is what they do best, manufacturing and then transporting it when necessary or if it’s necessary.

So I don’t quite understand how these analysts can draw a parallel for the 2 situations, since they are fundamentally different.
 

siegecrossbow

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I can certainly understand where they are coming from but that’s an entirely different situation, the US are having to extend their forces to take care of the Houthis, whiles China really just need to send a few more units and be on standby. Plus it’s not like China will be the one in combat in the first place. In this case, the most that China will really be doing, is what they do best, manufacturing and then transporting it when necessary or if it’s necessary.

So I don’t quite understand how these analysts can draw a parallel for the 2 situations, since they are fundamentally different.

If it does end up being nuclear India and Pakistan will be the biggest losers, and China will be a close second.
 

FriedButter

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Is it plausible if the war is to get hot that China can provide Pakistan with some antiship hypersonic glide missiles? IMO it's the only high probability way of taking out a carrier
It would almost certainly warn off US carriers in case of a Taiwan Scenario IMO, they don't even have to give Pakistan the best they've got just something that would get the job done in their opinion

Unless China sold it to Pakistan before the current events. It wouldn’t be a good idea to do such a thing if the situation deteriorates badly. There are significant risks associated with it. If it goes nuclear, then India may be more inclined to launch some nuclear warheads at China over direct involvement. You can guarantee the Americans will be pushing the Indians or Pakistanis into such a scenario. It might solve their China problem after all.
 
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